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Hard Disk Data Recovery

10/21/2008 8:17 PM

hi,

anyone can help me in recovering data from the burnt hard drive. i had a 140 gb hardrive whose pcb burnt.

i bought a new hard drive of same capacity and model and changed the pcboard, but it doesnt work.

Then i change the platters into another hard drive but still doesnt work,

is there any special procedure to change platter, or it there any machine where we can use paltter as cds?

how we can protect the read head in changing platters.

Thanks for your help

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Re: Hard disk data recovery

10/21/2008 10:38 PM

Dear Amiruddin,

Changing platters on a hard drive is an especially tricky operation because it must be done in an especially clean environment; clean-room conditions being ideal. Even one microscopic bit of grit can turn a read-write head into a lathe. The heads ride on a thin film of air just microns thick above the disc surface. Any grit, dirt or dust wedged between the head and the disk will gouge a groove into the surface, permanently damaging it.

There are services available which specialize in disc recovery. Depending on the value of your data, you may wish to consult one of these. They don't come cheap.

Folks who do computer forensics can offer some good advice at this point.

Also, if your drive's original PCB was fried, it may have mangled data under the heads as it went. If the data happened to be your file-allocation tables (or equivalent, depending on the file system), recovery is going to be much harder. However, it can be done if the damage is not too extensive.

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12/22/2008 6:48 AM

Changin platters is even more difficult than you write (all you wrote was correct, but not complete), if the plater does not sit with an absolutely exact middle alignment, the data tracks will run out of true. Furthermore, each of the platters must be digitally aligned with the other platters......not just "any old how!"

In manufacture, the platters are completely unformatted (empty) and are mounted together and THEN the basic format (not to be confused with a format on a PC!!) and all the bits/tracks are written and checked for accuracy, then the firmware is changed for the customer version, tested and sold.....or close to, fine details are all secret to the manufacturer concerned!!!

This basic format is never changed nowadays and remains even when reformatting/data erasure is done to the DATA ONLY on your PC.....

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01/11/2009 9:39 PM

That "basic" formatting is known as "Low Level format"

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Re: Hard disk data recovery

10/21/2008 10:48 PM

it should be work, once you change correctly pcb.

try to check if there is any wrong connect or link wire.

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10/23/2008 7:49 AM

You do not seem to have the slightest clue as to the complexity of what needs to be done in this case (the same level of knowledge as the owner of this Blog!!).

Who died and appointed you god? This forum appreciates "constructive" comments. Maybe you can take your "smarts" and attitude and go harass a chat room on Yahoo.

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10/24/2008 12:06 AM

Have you noticed how the "Flamers" are so gutless that they cannot log in under their Nickname, or have no care to have their own login.

You see these allover the place unfortunately ;o(

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10/01/2009 6:18 PM

If any part of the boot-sector became physically corrupt, or a head-crush occurred during a power-brake, this HDD is toast, and better be thrown to the garbage bin, unless there is some critical data to be salvaged (by a specialist), but even then, the disk will not be usable anymore.

Salvaging data, does not mean repairing the disk, for normal use.

Only hard-disks which their data-structure is corrupt can be re-defined for further use.

A critical physical corruption or a head crush will render the hard disk useless

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Re: Hard disk data recovery

10/22/2008 2:49 AM

If the platter has been rotated, fine tune heads.

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10/22/2008 8:45 AM

From what I have read, your data is now gone . Unless your drive was a single platter, the act of moving the platters has probably rendered those platters unreadable. The data is written sequentially across the heads (and thus, the platters). If the platters are rotated with respect to each other, there is virtually no way the data will ever be recoverable. There is also the fact that you should not open a drive without a clean-room environment, and dust will soon damage the drive. I watched a very good tutorial on HDD data recovery on You Tube, I'll see if I can find it and post a link, but I fear it will not help you with your present situation, but there's always next time!

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10/22/2008 8:52 AM

OK, I found the video I was talking about, here's a link to the first part, this is a very good series. As you watch this, you will see why your attempts have been unsuccessful, and why your data is probably unrecoverable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx-D1nJcv0k&feature=related

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10/22/2008 10:39 PM

Hi, There is or was a company in Dandenong that recovered stored data on HD's I'm sorry I cannot remember their name, been so long since I was there last.

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12/22/2008 6:52 AM

With what he has already done to the drive, I seriously doubt that they can do much now either, or only at EXTREMELY high cost of many thousands of $$$$$$$....sadly. And with no guarantee of success.....

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10/22/2008 11:13 PM

There are a number of very effective data recovery companies here in the states and elsewhere I am sure, who have saved my buns a number of times.

Om Track is one of the better ones I've found. I'm sure there are others.

However, swapping the disks is absolutely a traumatic activity and risky even for those who have experience in such things.

On Track might be able to help you but it will cost you about $60 US to get a diagnostic analysis done. They can and do what you do, swap the disk to another drive, in super clean rooms as someone rightfully pointed out. They still might be able to save the data but you won't know if you don't get to their web site as ask.

On Track has offices in Australia!

Drop-off Points in all Eight Capital Cities

Adelaide
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Suite 8, 28 Donkin Street
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Canberra
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Darwin
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Hobart
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Sydney
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Call them and ask them what to do and do not power up the hard drive any further until you spoken to them.

Good Luck

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Re: Hard Disk Data Recovery

10/23/2008 3:59 AM

Hi,

it could be, there is not so easy to do, but there is a very experient hungarian company, which is able to recover the data from the burnt-out hard drive with the high chance.

If it has really necessary data, i think, makes sennce to contact to this company.

You can find more details in the website: http://www.kurt.hu/ also in english too.

Good luck !

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10/23/2008 4:36 AM

Rule no 1: Never open a HD unless you have complied with an A class clean room as your chances of recovery has reduced considerably.

This is due to the fact that microscopic particles land on the platters and thru movement

i.e abrasiveness may render the platters unreadable.

Rule no 2: Unless you are in the data recovery business and your HD savvy it is un-advisable to frig with it. Hence the reason the platters are enclosed. Only those with the knowledge,experience and facilities should pull a hard disk apart.

Now you most likely will have to go to one of those expensive data recovery companies. You could have tried hooking the hard drive up to a board that is working as a slave drive, and proceeded to use inexpensive data recovery software to check the validity of the drives structure etc.

In any case good luck

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Re: Hard Disk Data Recovery

10/23/2008 8:57 AM

If this is a personnel or employers disk it should always be backed up (Computer 101). To your current problem, I know that there are several companies that specialize in data recovery and they can be found on line. If this is an employers disk you will need to ensure you havbe a secure source performing this with disclosure agreements and understandable process and procedures. You may also check with such companies like Microsoft, Sun, Dell and other computer manufacturers. Another source would be to look at trhe drive owners website as most likley component changes can be made or systematic know cures can be affected. Good luck, hope this helps.

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10/23/2008 11:34 PM

I saw a comic where they were taking a toothbrush to the heads and using dental floss on the disks to clean the hard drive.

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10/26/2008 5:44 AM

You may have seen it in a comic, but in fact we used to clean disk heads many years ago by hand!! But in those days(mid 1970's), an Eagle drive for example (considered to be huge!!) was 500MB....the platters (removable) weighed several kilos!!!

When we had head crashes, we sometimes needed 100 or more new heads, (operator had tried a dropped pack on ALL of the companies drives, crashing every single drive in the process!!), so we had to clean and "recover" any heads that showed no damage and then align them using an (very expensive!!) alignment pack!!!

Been there done that and got the T-shirt!!!!

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12/22/2008 6:55 AM

35 years ago, we actually did that on the drives where the "pack" was replaceable....but with maximum data on a HUGE set of platters being 100 MB........automatic (tooth!!) brushes were there to clean the platters before loading the heads on many machines.

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12/22/2008 11:57 AM

The worst part was flossing all those bits. One new guy complained, "Do I have to do all of them?"

"No, just the ones you want to keep!"

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12/27/2008 6:40 PM

Like it!!!!

Did he appreciate the humor as well as I did?

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10/24/2008 12:10 AM

If the HD is truly screwed, remove the platters once again, they make very handy mirrors, and the magnets stick almost anything to your fridge...

Get a pair of the magnets, and demonstrate by sticking 1 either side of your hand or table to the young folk that are curious ;o)

Keep out of reach of children tho, fingers stuck between these magnets can make your ears hurt from the screaming.

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Re: Hard Disk Data Recovery

11/07/2008 2:02 AM

Hi,

Your disk is physically damaged so if you change platters, it won't be able to recover your data. You need data recovery Service now to recover your hard drive.

I take the help of Stellar Information Systems Ltd. when my disk was corrupted logically. You should try this company for your data recovery requirements. for more details go here : http://www.stellarinfo.com/

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12/01/2008 7:24 AM

If he has physically removed the disks from the central spindle (as I understood from his post) then his data is already completely lost and it would cost a fortune to get a specialist company to re-align them and get data off......

I feel he should cut his losses and learn how to make proper backups in the future......

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