Microsoft 7 O/S

A Vista replacement. Hum, let's see, ya, I'm gonna jump all over that! Microsh*t has done so good in the past, what could possibly be wrong with it?

Who the hell would want it at all - much less as a pre-beta leak?

What, no one wants to beta test a pre beta OS?

I mean my Vista has service pack one so It is a functional Beta.

I was surprised that the update today took 15 minutes after the reboot to configure. That would mean that the update was possibly larger than my whole NT4.5 OS.

Brad

Vista replacement?

Absolutely, I just downloaded the latest version yesterday and I am very happy with it:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxfSwzhSn1c&feature=related

Cute!

Some pretty big movers and shakers placing very big bets on Windows7. And Microsoft is staking their future on it. Literally reorganizing the way they go about development organizationally.

Expect W7 to be a quantum leap on par with SP in its day.

I would also hope to see concerted actions by recent purchasers if they are not offered W7 to replace already obsolete W6 sold to them on their computers. I intend to press hard with one mfr for satisfaction in that regard. From what I have read, the time of general release is now about a year or so. I would rather ship the unit back now and force a refund, than bide my time paying for problems for a year then paying all over for a new operating system.

Bulls eye

So if I get a new computer with much greater processor power and much larger memory then I can run a new OS that might not be quite as bad as the previous OS?

Well if it has been 18 months it will be twice as fast so the OS will be twice as big. Net gain 0. Of course until service pack 3 it will crash more but shortly there after it is no longer supported to force you to use the next beta OS.

But maybe just maybe it will be a mature release. Nah

I will say my Vista Ultimate has not crashed after service pack one, but my home premium did a lot.

Brad

Think of it another way: you can keep the computer you just bought knowing it will have problems which, by the manufacturers' own acknowledgement, are the reason for the new OS and computer redesign to the new OS; and knowing that you have an acknowledged faulty machine of negligible value, if any, compared to what you should have gotten for your money; a value reduced even more by the fact that service for the OS by hardware and software producers will always be in question.

Settle for crap; you get crap...and crapped on. But is seems to be the way things have gotten these days; if there's as much profit, or more, in broken products than in products that work, why worry about customers who are afraid, or don't know how, to demand what they paid for.

I wonder, how many users Linux picks up every time a Windows 'update' comes out? Update doesn't necessarily mean upgrade.

They are skillfully lowering the bar with each new release.

We are now pathetically gratefull if it works at all. We pay for new computers. We pay for new peripherals that the new OS will run. We pay for downgrades to XP. We pay for the deletion of bloatware.

Why isn't Linux the number one choice by now?

We pay for downgrades to XP.

Oh quit it, stop kidding yourself

Why isn't Linux the number one choice by now?

Because just any dummy can't use it.

Why isn't Linux the number one choice by now?

Because just any dummy can't use it.

We're also looking at inertia in human behavior. We resist change because we value stability, we prefer the familiar over the unknown, we don't want to lose our investment in current technology, etc.

But when we become bored or dissatisfied with the status quo, then we crave change, and then we will venture into the unknown, risk instability, sacrifice old technology for new, etc.

When an individual has been through this cycle several times, they begin to question the value of any change, and they become "set in their ways" or "jaded." By that time, the individual is in management, inertia has become part of their character, and because they are in charge, they tend to decide against anything new.

Yup instability precipitates change.

Maybe "just any dummy can't use it" is the key to the problem here. We are seeing the "economies of scale" curve flatten and go negative. The cost per unit of software drops as the number of units sold increases. Up to a point. Past that, the software cost may keep dropping, but the support costs and the cost of hardware to run this huge "all purpose" megalith become prohibitive. Also consider the oportunity cost of time lost trying to stave off or recover from updates.

What exactly do we require of an operating system? Remember DOS? It took less than 640K and took care of file management and the other basic stuff. Add networking, and it gets a little bigger. Email, Internet etc. and it gets a little bigger with each one. When did it get to Gigs? What is all that memory being used for?

The hope and vision for Linux was that it would be this useable operating system. Install what you need, leave the rest out. I still think this could happen

Those terms, update and upgrade, have essentially become little more that marketing buzzwords, and/or are thrown about by software developers (typically not nearly the most English proficient of people)...to the effect that a savvy consumer should not take them too seriously, but check out every product offering of its own accord. Whether it's "update" or "upgrade," think of it as the eqivalent of "new" or "all new" when used in mass merchandising. Thinks also, there's nothing really new under the sun; and computer products are no exception.

MICROSOFT KILLED VISTA Microsoft 7 O/S - Discontinued as a O/S entirely! First, Yahoo discontinues Vista-optimized IM program for Yahoo Messenger for Vista. I think Yahoo did not suspect Microsoft had killed Vista prior to their decision, October 24, 2008 made public. UInless someone informed Yahoo. See New York Times Article, killed on October 21, 2008 - Published: October 28, 2008.

Thank you CharlesJones,

I do disagree with the article on one point MS did not listen or at 98 thinks would have started to change.

As I like to say the frying pan of enlightenment struck them up side the head. Blunt force trauma of market share loss and the realization that a tangled product web is effected across the board with small changes in parts that appear unconnected.

Microsoft could be a righteous king of software but Windows 7 won't be it. The customer is always right so give them what they want. A clean coded OS that each part stands on its own and do it in machine language not bloated resource hog high level BS. So fast you would have to set screen wait states just to see it.

Whistles and bells are nice but at 21 times the MIPS the system I'm using is no faster than when I was running NT4.5 at 21 times slower. The graphics/eye candy is nice but not even close to what it should be. And my system back then was the best of everything( I could of added RISC processors but the price seemed a little steap). I even used Intel as my local dial up. Working there did have its perks.

I would bet Intel knew long before Yahoo. But that's another ...

Slowly fold up soap box and put away

Brad