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Hex Head vs. Socket Head Screws

11/19/2008 11:48 AM

Does anyone have a "rule of thumb" as to when to use a hex head bolt/screw instead of a socket head?

I know that socket head works best when access to the head is tight, but what are the other pros and cons?

Application is printing press and folder assemblies- screw sizes usually M8 - M20. Materials used usually steel and on occasion aluminum.

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Re: HEX HEAD VERSUS SOCKET HEAD SCREWS

11/19/2008 12:50 PM

Nope .... you hit it right on the head. It's all about clearance, if you can't reach it, use a socket head, but if you have a lot of side clearance, hex is the bolt of choice because you can use so many different wrenches to assemble and dis-assemble, such as a box head wrench, or a socket, or an adjustable.

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Re: Hex Head vs. Socket Head Screws

11/19/2008 6:11 PM

Hex head bolts are preferred due to better clamping pressure as long as there is enough room for a wrench. If you do not have adequate wrench clearance, then you go with a socket head cap screw. Greater bearing surface area of a hex head fastener, provides better clamping pressure.

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04/30/2010 4:56 PM

Look at the bolt head design. The bearing surface area is the same. The extra area due to the corners can not be counted on as a bearing surface.

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Re: Hex Head vs. Socket Head Screws

11/19/2008 10:53 PM

If you have clearance issues or you want it to look expensive & Hi-Tech use socket head. If you don't care use hex head. If you want it to look totally dodgy, use a combination of cup head, hex, socket head & even an old square head if you can find one. It really supports the cause if you have hex heads of different size too! :P

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Re: Hex Head vs. Socket Head Screws

11/19/2008 11:25 PM

You will find that the socket head is a higher tensile strength than your ordinary high tensile bolts. Imperil bolts are normally grade 8 where your socket head will be around grade12.

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11/19/2008 11:50 PM

I know that this is more of an opinion than a true technical answer, but I have standardized on socket heads for everything I can use them on.

Here is the list of reason I have for doing so;

  1. Socket heads can be used in all kinds of tolerance situations. Where as hex heads can have issues in some tight spots.
  2. Socket head screws seem to be higher quality in general. I can't count the number of hex heads I have stripped or worn away the head. Socket head bolts/screws have never given me a problem.
  3. I have one tool set that handles everything I do instead of searching for one tool or another.
  4. I happen to like the look of socket head screws, especially the nice stainless ones. :-)
  5. I don't need to keep a supply of several types of the same size bolts. My inventory is smaller.

Standardizing is a nice way to go since it simplifies everything overall. Obviously there are situations that need different solutions, but so far this works for me.

My 2 cents.

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Re: Hex Head vs. Socket Head Screws

11/20/2008 6:48 AM

Thank you all for your answers - each one had a slightly different approach, so now thanks to all of you I have a better understanding.

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11/20/2008 8:32 AM

Machine builders tend to prefer the SHCS over HHCS because they are friendlier to work with. However they do tend to pug with debris.

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11/20/2008 10:55 AM

Good point. I will keep in mind where the fastener is going to be as there is lots of grease in some places in the press and lots of paper dust in other areas.

Thanks for your answer.

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11/20/2008 11:28 AM

Always keep a can of compressed air (yes, I know it isn't actually air) on hand. It is great for quickly cleaning out the socket heads. Short of really nasty corrosion I have never seen a socket head that couldn't be cleaned out by compressed air.

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11/21/2008 5:08 AM

Just to add my opinion, the points made so far are all valid, one other aspect is that it is easier to damage an adjacent painted surface with a spanner than with an Allen key. It is also easier to round off a socket head screw than a hex head.

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11/21/2008 7:54 PM

Socket head screws are usually a better alloy than hex heads. You have to take this with a grain of salt in that, I believe, all inch SHCS are stronger than grade 8, while some metric SHCS are.

So, you can use a SHCS when you have a limited space for wrenching, when you need good appearance, when you need the head recessed, or when you want to really preload the heck out of the screw in a tension load.

The downside is that, generally, SHCS cost more than HHCS, you sometimes have the extra cost of counterboring the head, the threads are almost always longer than you need and in some cases too long for a good joint, the heads are usually hardened (you can't drill them for safety locks), and the bearing area under the head is quite small compared to HHCS.

A lot of people "solve" the small bearing area problem by putting a washer under the head. If you use an ordinary washer, it often makes the problem worse! Washers are notoriously soft, so the small bearing area with the high preload really digs into the washer, relaxing the preload and making a lousy joint.

So, if you're gonna torque a SHCS to a high value, you have to use a hardened washer, perhaps even a hardened and ground one. Now, of course, you were probably already using hardened washers under the head of your grade 8 HHCS, so you can just use the same ones.

Finally, if you're gonna use SHCS, buy a decent high strength, hardened wrench.

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11/22/2008 8:40 AM

Thank you for your very complete answer.

Your reply has some excellent information for me. My situation is that I come from aerospace environment to commercial manufacturing and what is required for aircraft is so very different from design and manufacture of printing presses that I tend to overspec the fasteners.

Here they use much larger fasteners, very large frames and gears and different strength requirements as well. I am a drafter/designer not an engineer so I consult with the engineer for correct fasteners to use, but I do want to learn the reasons behind the selection and not just "we always use this".

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11/22/2008 9:01 AM

Congratulations for your "need to know". Not many designers even care to know. It's one of the differences between a good designer and a "not good" designer.

I asked our fastener expert about the manufacturing of the two fasteners:

Material is determined by process, grade and availability. It will be the same for both. Head shape has little bearing if any. The big advantage to hex heads from a manufacturability stand point is that they can be crash form (trimmed) which can be done off the header and is a cheaper process. Cap head must be done on the header. It is a better process and generally you pay a premium for them because of this.

Another point is finish. The Socket Head Cap Screw is usually blackened where the standard grade 8 hex has no finish.

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11/22/2008 9:10 AM

Thanks again for more good information.

What the heck are you doing working on a Saturday...

As to my "need to know" thanks for the compliment. I wish I had gone on to get an engineering degree, but let life get in the way, so I think of myself as chasing down the details to save the engineer time and to double check the design from my own unique viewpoint. I just love the details! Plus, engineers go to way more meetings than I would like to have to attend. I have been a manager and much prefer being a worker instead.

Is there anything better than taking delivery of the parts and having it all go together (well mostly go together, there is always something ;-)

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11/22/2008 9:34 AM

Trading a Saturday for an extra day over the holidays.

I had the same situation about becoming an engineer. I regretted not being able to further my education. Until I was in the industry for a while. In all of the companies I've been at, Designers "design" and engineers go to meetings and do paperwork. I'll take design any day.

Besides, most times I was making more money than the engineers I was working with simply because of the lack of good designers. Supply and demand. And don't believe there is never room for advancement. Sure it is easier for you to get ahead with that degree, but in a good company the quality of your work and your knowledge will get you where you want to be. And it will keep you there whether you have the degree or not. I'm a designer with a successful career, a great resume and I'm currently the engineering manager for our division.

And it's true..... there's nothing better than seeing a good design come together.

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11/24/2008 4:26 AM

You should try working for a small company, you get to do the designing in between meetings then produce the drawings, get all the quotes & sometimes build the equipment as well. No time to get bored.

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11/22/2008 9:12 AM

That's a good explanation of your question. In that kind of manufacture, a lot of designers tend to develop a "seat-of-the-pants" approach where they look at a joint, figure they probably need two 1/4" bolts, then use three 3/8" bolts just so they don't have to analyze anything. It can be frustrating to deal with "We've always done it this way." There are some good fastener sites that might help.

http://www.unbrako.com/

http://www.acfcom.com/fastener_handbook/fastener_specifications_handbook.htm?gclid=CIvK6sT6iJcCFQoHswodq22k_Q

http://www.boltscience.com/pages/strength.htm

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11/22/2008 9:46 AM

"rule of thumb" - some thoughts of mine. Other than fastener-by-fastener case influenced by clearances and tool access:

If you are looking at a product design and you want to cut cost use hex head. Lowest grade applicable.

If you are designing a custom machine, automation equipment or similar use socket heads. Typically the extra fastener cost is neglegible.

Material thickness and type of fastened materal. Thinner or weaker materials may require the larger surface of a hex or use of a flange head hex.

Hole sizes. Looser tolerances may force you to have larger holes which in turn may lead you to using hex or flange head hex. Conversly tightly toleranced parts allow you to use the socket heads.

.... now that I've started I could go on for hours. And this is just two (3) fastener types.

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11/22/2008 11:06 AM

Now that I've got you started, keep it up. This is exactly the kind of advice coming from experience that I need, so you can muse on it as much as you like.

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11/22/2008 11:29 AM

Fasteners is a science on it's own. One that gets ignored too often. In application I find it starts with common sense and ends with design requirement.

In school, an assignment was the addition of a 15 lb sensor assembly to an existing production line. One fellow used eight, 3/4" hex head bolts to fasten it to the line frame. Additionally he bolted 3"x3" sq tubing legs to the floor beneath it to secure it. He seemed to be a bright fellow but he sincerely did not understand why this was too much. He eventually quit design and went on to University to get his mechanical engineering degree.

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11/24/2008 4:48 AM

Years ago I worked in naval radar, some of the rotating dishes weigh a couple of tons & one fell off of a ship having sheared all 24 ½" bolts. The investigation revealed that the ships captain liked his ship to look tidy so, instead of just letting the dish run down & stop he had someone stabbing away at the inching button until the dish was in line with the ship, the continual shock load had done the damage. Sometimes it's hard to think of everything that could go wrong which is why an experienced engineer tends to go slightly over the top.

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11/23/2008 10:47 PM

One thing to remember is that the application dictates the selection. Socket head screws have a good tensile rating but tend to be more brittle.

I experienced a problem with them when mounting two Cibie rectangular headlights and mounting bracket to the triple tree of a springer front end. The thickness of the material of the triple tree base necessitated the use of a 1/4" fastener maximum. To keep with the theme of the chopper, I used non-chromed, loctited socket heads with washers. Within a week I found myself duct taping the headlights to the forks just to get home. I installed two more, figuring it was just an anomaly, and in two days, one of the screws snapped again. I switched to more ductile grade 5 hex head cap screws, thinking that grade 8's might also be brittle (probably not but tensile strength was not the issue) and never had a problem again. They were ugly but they worked. Apparently, at least for me, socket heads and vibration and shock are not compatible.

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11/24/2008 8:28 AM

Perhapse I should try this idea with my mountain bike. I keep breaking the retaining fastener in my seat. Usually on a trail in the middle of nowhere. I'd rather mash a fastener than finish a ride standing on the pedals.

When those socket head cap screws fail in tension it sounds like a gun going off.

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02/23/2022 11:00 AM

It would be impractical to use a hex head screw were the fastener needing to go flush or sub-surface either in a pocket or in a countersunk hole.

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02/23/2022 11:09 AM

Blimey, your reply is to a post from 2008, are you having a slow day?

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That would be telling.

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