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Intrinsically Safe or Explosion Proof

11/21/2008 9:33 AM

Hi All,

I need expertise on I.S. verses E.P circuits.

A room 12'W x 12'L x 12'H was built inside a building using 8" block, with re bar & the cores were poured full for the purpose of being explosion proof. The building was to be a production lab for the purpose of mixing and performing chemical reactions to make various end products. In this 12 x 12 rm. there is to be a Still used to reclaim Isopropyl alcohol. The still is an approx. 30 gal. glass flask with condenser etc.etc. Originally the whole building was to be wired with explosion proof conduits and devices. It has since been decided that; that is not needed (not by me). The Still rm currently has no ceiling and (one is not on the agenda) with the intent being that an explosion would be directed upwards. Ventilation is provided by an exhaust blower with an elephant trunk duct directed above the Still. Barrels of I.P. alcohol will be used and stored in this room also. The Still sets in a heating mantel with two 4000 watt elements, as part of the reclamation process. There are no electrical controls or devices except the mantel to be in this room All controls etc. to be mounted outside the room. Pumps and other equipment in the room are all plastic and air operated. My question is if I have no ceiling to prevent possible vapors from entering into the rest of the building which is not explosion proof what would be the purpose / requirements for Intrinsically safe or explosion proof circuits in the Still room? Even if I have a ceiling, that would increase my positive pressure for the ventilation of the room and help to prevent vapors from escaping to the rest of the building would I still need I.P. or E.P. circuit to the heating mantel?

I know this is long but I hope my situation is better understood, if at all. I know the ultimate answer would be to just install E.P. circuits anyway, but I need to understand if the ceiling would make any difference in the whole situation in regards to the rest of the building and it's processes, Even if the ceiling were just a drywall ceiling that would still blow out / upwards if there were an explosion in the Still rm.

I look forward to the responses for this discussion and thank you in advance for all your help.

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Re: Intrinsically safe or Explosion proof

11/21/2008 10:31 AM

As far as I know from the test cells I've seen that deal with fuel, and the law that regulates the work with flamable liquids and vapors (in my country), it's a matter of vapor concentration. If you can assure by positive ventilation that the concentration of flamable or explosive vapors in the room is kept below determined levels, there's no need for special equipment. But I dont know your specific situation in terms of quantity of products, type of recipients, leakage potential, etc.

Without knowing it exactly, and without knowing your place regulations, I'd assume that if you have no ceiling, it's opened to ambient, with positive ventilation, you do not have an explosion proof room. We have some around the facility I work in, and they all must be an enclosed space, with minimum openings to the rest of the building, ventilation system that assures ventilation from the building inside the room, and all pumps, instrumentation, wiring, room electrical installation and lamps, etc, is insulated.

In opened spaces, we just ventilate it (really well!!!!!).

That's the way things must be around here in my place. I am not sure about yours.

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Re: Intrinsically Safe or Explosion Proof

11/22/2008 1:35 PM

JMT,

Sorry if this sounds insulting, but if you are asking these questions, you are not qualified to assess the requirements for this location. You need to get an assessment by someone that is versed in the NFPA (fire) and NEC (electrical) codes.

I am not an expert, but here goes:

Intrinsic safety is a specific term to describe a circuit which will not, under any circumstances, have enough electrical energy to be able to produce a spark which would ignite the vapor. It is a bit complicated, but this means low voltage and low current. This would not apply to anything in the room that you have described.

From your description, I would think the room would be classified as a hazardous location, most likely it would be Class 1 Division II area (explosive vapors not present all the time, but present during upset conditions) . This would mean that all equipment in the room should be rated for this service, especially the wires going to the heating mantel, and the heating mantel itself (which also should be rated not to exceed the ignition temperature of IP, even under runaway conditions). The exhaust fan should be rated for this service as well.

Get an expert in this field!

It sounds like your company accepts a possible explosion (no roof) rather than spending minimal dollars to make sure the area is safe.

Tad

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Re: Intrinsically Safe or Explosion Proof

11/24/2008 10:25 AM

Your heating mantel should be wired to EP standards. If vapor gets into the enclosure for the heating elements it could potentially follow the conduit all the way back to the electrical panel that distributes the 4000 watts to each element, and the flammable vapor could slowly accumulate inside the cabinet. The next time the heater is used the arc produced when electrical contactors engage could ignite the accumulated vapors resulting in an explosion. Seals in explosion proof conduit would garuntee that this could not happen.

Anything electrical in this room close to where explosive or flammable vapors could be present should still be wired to IS and/or EP electrical installation standards to ensure that an explosion could not propogate out into other parts of your facility through the electrical conduits.

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