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international accredation for electrical licences

12/13/2008 2:47 AM

we are electrical engineers and electrician from philippines working in east africa, is there any way that we can acquire international license or accreditation, it is because our local licence recognize only in our country and in the middle east, but not recognize in western country, how can we acquire license that they recognized internationally specially in western country, what is requirements, and what is agency we're going to apply......

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Re: international accredation for electrical licences

12/13/2008 8:31 PM

What you seak does not exist. You need to accquire the credential that is required in any jurisdiction in which you wish to work. Period.

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12/14/2008 10:07 AM

North of 60,

I agree totally with your factual comment.

However it would also be useful to advise the guys to contact the IET in the UK for more formal advice which may come from them or, in this changing world, another authority.

Either way they can lose nothing by contacting the IET and other National bodies to see what they would need to do to work in other locations.

I repeat that I agree with your basic comment.

The IET can be contacted via http://www.theiet.org/

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12/14/2008 2:45 PM

Agreed...

However, the need to contact the regulatory body in any jurisdiction is inherently implicated in my answer.

To often, this forum is bombarded by the most ludicrous and basic of questions. The ability to make intelligent decisions as to next steps in any given situation is a core requirement of this and many other disciplines and is often times visibly lacking in the skill sets of some who post here.

Some times I have to ask myself if we actually advance things or cause the situation to worsen when we provide such simple and obvious answers to the questions asked.

Maybe instead of providing answers... a suggested path on how to arrive at the answer is what this forum should offer those who ask such questions, thankfully, many who do post responses to questions here do provide such a path to the answer and that is basically what you have suggested. Perhaps I could have offered what you have suggested, though, I would have rathered they had of figured it out for themselves.

Perhaps this question does not fit quite that genre, having said that, I offer to you that someone who is not bright enough to figure out where to go to enquire about credential requirements in a given jurisdiction is quite possibiliy... someone I might not want to see practicing Electrical Engineering in my jurisdiction.

I think it is incumbent on all who visit this great resource to make sure they do not provide enough information to allow someone who should not be doing a given thing to actually try and do it. This field of engineering is not very forgiving and we as a group of professionals must at least try and police our own.

Or perhaps I am just being nasty today...

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12/13/2008 11:54 PM

Hi celsite,

Try this www.eeaia.co.za if information will help and fit on your query.

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12/14/2008 5:17 PM

Hello celsite:,

Do not get me wrong, I understand your plight. BUT, and it is a big one........

When starting out learning from school or Uni and 'on the job', why not make sure (if possible) you get trained to a 'world' standard rather than a 'local' one?

I have pasted a few sites below which may help. But you will have to either write ti them or email explaining the way you started and where you are now with your experience. And take it from there.

Please bear with me and read my post as it is all relevant. Thank you.

You must have taken the career as an Electrician because it offered opportunities to make money by leaving your own community and traveling abroad. Even more important to get proper training and accreditation on the job and in theory. That way you can go anywhere and work, and know all the skills you will need anywhere.

As it is now, you will need to go through a whole new education and accreditation.

It seems odd to me that in the Electricians world especially, where mistakes can be fatal, that the training and so called 'qualification' process is so different in the 'east' to the 'west'. You must be doing things correctly, assuming you have had no 'accidents'?

Often in the Electricians job you will need to work on several jobs with gradually increased complication, as with any job, except if you get things wrong, it can kill.

You do not say what type of work you do. IE: Domestic, factory, substations, whole electrical installations?

My two uncles had to work and learn their chosen trade until they were 30 before feeling qualified enough to go for the big stuff and lay full power supply station and substations. It meant they both had to mortgage their homes and business premises to borrow enough to buy all the mountain of things they needed.

If you are just starting out, thinking you can make a 'quick buck', forget it, you will be wiped out by the obviously more professional Electricians working and estimating to get jobs. One good job done to the very high standards necessary will lead onto the next and so on.....................BUT, you have to work in that.... 'always learning environment'.... and constant pressure, because the difference between doing domestic work in dwellings and, even small Factories, and building huge substations and power relays carrying millions of volts, is like comparing black and white. That is where working with like minded people gets you into good work ethics and routine that is SAFE.

Good luck and happy holiday!......................

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Re: international accredation for electrical licences

12/14/2008 9:04 PM

contact the local engineering board on that country and inquire for the requirements,most probably your credentials will be evaluated on their accredited evaluator .you might be also go schooling for some subjects.

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12/15/2008 12:49 AM

Hi celsite,

Don't be irritated on some of the nasty answer on your query, I am very thankful of babybear advised as it is very most helpful and informative a very positive approach one. this is a very common problem in the whole world racial discrimination! not all of the member are nasty as what other got your only mistake i would say is that you mentioned your from the Philippines. Some people think they are very good they know everything in the world. Let me give you one good example, 15 years ago I worked in USA as Maintenance Manager I got (White not to mentioned from where in the world) Director of Engineering luckily chosen to the position due to his nationality, but you know what? one day we have encountered a chilled water system problem, it takes 6 long hours for him to do trouble shooting in the plant room by himself, every time I offered suggestion he always say NO!, until such time he gave up and both go back to his office. in respect I ask him permission if i can go ahead by my own, he ignore me and went somewhere, as a responsible maintenance manager and we don't want our hotel paying guest comfort much affected, I grab my plumber and tell him to cut the chilled water line automatic water refill valve and temporary bypass as we don't have available spare at that time 5 minutes later the system run! and guess what? instead of saying well done he shouted on me saying F---!!!!WHY DID YOU DO THAT WITHOUT ASKING MY PERMISSION!!!! for me it is NOT stupid things to ask if you don't know rather to do wrong things pretending that you know. for all of the member in this CR4 if we don't want to help on the query just go to another topic forum thread next to the top, rather than being nasty towards the guest or especially to a new member which is not either an answer to the question. sometimes we should anticipate that not all of the member are most familiar in searching or by google the question and may give them an answer. seniors members, GURU's be nice and not be nasty, try to look at my idol Sparkstation's answer in that kind of situation, that's the real GURU... welcome to the group celsite some day some how you can contribute something for the member, happy Monday to everybody.

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12/15/2008 1:22 AM

To all,

In addition to the above comments, try to have a look at one topic on 15-12-08 forum thread " Contract Management", Kalapala new (member) asked what is reputed university which he can apply for on line bla bla bla. and again GURU babybear have very clear and positve reply, well done GURU babybear. hope every body do the same. if you can't help don't reply......

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12/15/2008 9:37 AM

Thanks for the positive perspective Roman. I cannot imagine why people respond to simple questions so bitterly rather than simply skipping over the threads. Do people forget that before they were knowledgeable enough to be considered "gurus" that they were students themselves?

Perhaps CR4 could create forums that separate questions by level of difficulty - instead of just having one electrical forum, there could be both basic and advanced electrical forums. Then instead of telling people to "go back to school," advanced users could ask novices to ask basic questions in the basic forum.

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12/15/2008 10:11 AM

Hello Roman,

I thought my post might have been 'too' harsh. All I was doing is trying to give instances, like my Uncle etc, of how and why possibly the industry they are in at the moment, bears no relation to installing substations etc. It is really a whole different scale and should be treated as a different sphere all together.

I appreciate your comments on what I have said. I did think hard before and as I was writing it. I will leave it there, I do not want to repeat myself, except to say, to get to the higher end of the business needs a 'hands-on experience' for years.

Just because someone has a 'piece of paper' saying they can do the job, doesn't mean they will actually know what they are doing, and copying 'parrot' fashion can be disastrous.

Take care and happy holiday....................

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12/15/2008 11:08 AM

Hi babybear,

I think your comments were fair, and I don't think that anyone in a professional environment take issue with your response. You gave examples and good information rather then saying, "don't waste my time." No one expects to be coddled by their peers, but no one expects to be slapped in the face either.

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12/15/2008 11:43 AM

Hello EElectrician:

I think your comments were fair...............etc.............

I very much appreciate your reply to my comments. I have tried to help. I realise it is not easy to find your footing in any industry but, especially one that has to be so critically careful. Experience is the watch word and always will be.

Despite other remarks, I do not think anyone was being 'racially intolerant'. And I do understand all the posts here. Different people have different opinions thats all?

Take care and good luck..............and happy holiday...............

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12/15/2008 11:59 AM

I do not catch a feeling of "racial intolerance," and I am sure that the people managing CR4 would not tolerate that kind of intolerance. I just read comments that basically say, "stupid question," and can't help feeling for the individual who posted the question.

By the way, I like your motto:

"Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes." <> Ralph Waldo Emerson

It is a powerful statement of equality.

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12/15/2008 12:17 PM

Hello EElectrician:

I too gathered no racial overtones. And, as you say CR4 would have trashed anything that is or was. I have seen it done before.

I am glad you like one of the two 'Motto's' I have. The one you quote is so understated as to be un-noticeable? But, I think the meaning is very true.

I rather like your own Motto. Problem is I find it hard to live by. I tend to ere on the 'wordy' side unfortunately. Funny enough, face to face I am pretty quiet!

Thanks for the reply post.

Take care..............

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12/15/2008 1:11 PM

Babybear,

Can you check your messages? I have never used this feature before, but it seems appropriate for this type of discussion.

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12/15/2008 3:03 PM

For electricians, I'd guess it's important for the host country to make sure that you understand their local installation standards. This varies from country to country (even in the "west"!) due to historical reasons. In Africa it often follows the rules of the original European occupiers. You'll probably have to write some sort of exam. Depending on the scope of the contract & local laws, you can sometimes get away with doing most of the work yourself & having a local electrician test & certify the installation, but you'll have to check your setup.

For engineers the situation could be different - this time legal liability and competence comes into play. Standards vary even more between countries in terms of standards of education. You might have to apply to the host country's engineering council or similar - check with their department of labour or safety or education. They typically evaluate your qualifications and experience & see if they are satisfied. (BTW, I'd have loved to study at MIT or some internationally renowned university, but funds were a bit short in my younger days, so I had to settle for a local university - fortunately one with high standards & accepted by our local engineering council.)

In either case, there are no international agency, but many countries have reciprocal agreements with other countries - try that avenue. A look at the International Engineering Alliance (http://www.washingtonaccord.org/) shows a few bodies in your home country: PATE (Philippine Association for Technical Education), PTC (Philippine Technological Council), and PRB (Professional Regulatory Board - Philippines).

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