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How to Select I-Beams

12/29/2008 8:09 PM

I have to cross a large natural gas line on my private property (acreage). Looking to have a couple of "I beams" to support up to loaded cement truck weight. What size of 'I' beams will i need to span 4 meters? The approach will be basically level at each end.

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Re: bridge steel beam sizing

12/30/2008 1:37 AM

Hello Lance,

4 meters is a wide span and If the pipe is buried properly you most likely would not cause a problem to the line. If the soil is not compacted, over the pipe, in the case of new construction, of a gas line, then you might could compact the soils before crossings and beef up a concrete pad to add strength at a lower total cost.

The concrete trucks have axle weight limits, & your ready mix supplier, will give you the trucks axle weight from knowledge, as a number they watch carefully , due to road weight limit laws. This number, will tell you the strength of the crossings weight limit requirements, that you will want to design/build to.

I Hope that helps you.

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Joe Woodall, Managing Partner

Georgia Adobe Rammed Earth & Renewable Energy

Dewy Rose, GA. 30634 CSA

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Re: bridge steel beam sizing

12/31/2008 3:32 PM

HI Joe and other Commentators, I will be discussing this with the utility before doing anything. Just wanted to get some info for my discussions with them, to educate myself first. Thanks for the advise guys. Regards Lance

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Re: How to Select I-Beams

12/30/2008 11:31 PM

DON'T!!!!!

First thing- call the operator of the natural gas line and discuss your needs with them. They know what they have and what it will take to cross it if you have your information such as truck gross weight, axle weights, etc. There are too many variables involved to guess that you have selected the right information from a table or a few short calculations. It could end up being the last decision you are able to make in your soon to be short life!

If your are in the USA, the DOT requires pipeline companies to work with you to find a solution to your problem. Any problem with them, give the DOT pipeline div. a phone call. It's an 800 #. Pipelines are not things to be guessed about. That Innocent yellow marker could be over a 48" or bigger pipeline with an internal pressure in excess of 1,000 psi.

I am an Ass't Fire Chief and a Hazardous Materials Specialist who is also a sem-retired Chem Eng. No war stories but the risks are too high to handle this project with other than a full professional investigation and risk analysis.

Why not look at having the cement truck load hopper buggies and have the buggies cross over the "pipeline bridge"? They would take a little more time but their rental would probably be cheaper in the long run compared to "bridging" for a heavy cement truck. They would also sure reduce the risk factor!

Let a professional advise you in this endeavor.

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Re: How to Select I-Beams

12/31/2008 12:03 AM

HELLO LANCEV.

Unless you own the pipeline, the owners of said pipe line have an easement right to use the property and that right gives them the right to determine just what you must do to cross their easement. Especially since NG pipe lines are considered a utility. I suggest that you contact them, and ask for a copy of their easement contract and consult an Attorney if you feel the need to. Likely they have some specifications as to what you must do to cross their underground utility.

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Re: How to Select I-Beams

12/31/2008 12:53 AM

Old Salt & Tomuchfun , I voted for you both , Good Answers !

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Re: How to Select I-Beams

12/31/2008 8:17 AM

Get the contractor to place steel plates across the area. This spreads the load more effectivly. Most contractors have these plate for doing utility repairs that are in the middle or crossing a road.

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Re: How to Select I-Beams

12/31/2008 12:52 PM

Hi Lance V,

It would pay to invest in an AISC Seel design manual to determine beam sizes.

I designed a lot of heavy rigging systems for installing balls mills, copper convertors, electric and mechanical machinery and up to 130+ tons loads (1970 to 1976). There are roller dollies with up to 100K capacity each.

I once bought some I beams from a supplier in Los Angeles. Used a lot of used beams in our inventory for moving heavy loads.

Consider: You have a very small span. Use x-bracing at ends at supports, in your case, to give lateral stability from top of beam to the beam base. Web stiffeners may be needed (to bolt x-bracing to).

1. Frequency of crossing the bridge. Stringers and deck beams may be required for frequent crossings. For impact loads (TRUCKS), use 2x the live load for safety facor.

2. Reduce the load to a minimum. Concrete alone weighs over 4000 LBS per CY. Most truck axles have ROAD ALLOWANCE OF 20K PER AXLE.

3. Evaluate the footing bearing capacity and footing settlement for large end support loads. Use 1K psf for conservative soil bearing capacity (NON-COHESIVE SOILS).

Design formulas for steel structures are clear in the AISC (American Institute of Steel Construction).

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