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Stimulus package and energy wasted

01/04/2009 11:18 AM

Obama's stimulus package is being prepared and I am wondering if they are considering building and home energy efficiency as a worthy investment?

It is likely that they will invest in new energy production technology. That is fine but a lot of the energy consumed is wasted. While the "Energy Star" program for appliances is nice, it is not where most of the energy is wasted.

In my humble opinion, AC is a major waste of energy in the US hotels, shopping malls, and homes for the following reasons:

1-Usually set too low. Freezing in the summer while shopping is not comfort. Use a real wall thermostat in hotel rooms to turn off the AC when a comfortable temperature is reached.

2-The buildings are not insulated properly. Most of the energy seeps through the walls, windows, and under the doors. You can see all the southern hotel rooms with their AC at max (while the customers are gone) and the single pane windows condensing on the outside.

Adding insulation and vapor barriers in the walls, using double pane windows and proper door gasketing will go a long way.

It is time that incentive for proper building insulation be put in place as it was done in Canada in the 70's. Similarly, look at Europe for all the energy saving gadgets that turn reduce the AC/heating when you leave the room for a long time. Programmable thermostats are great to automatically adjust temperature when at work.

Investing in energy conservation will get many of these construction workers architects, and engineers back to work and produce a more efficient society that will be better positioned to compete in the world market.

Omama needs to set-up incentive for all building and home owner to reduce their consumption by upgrading the buildings themselves. This will also improve the level of comfort.

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01/04/2009 1:08 PM

I was reading an alt energy blog and listening to a German with the same problem you refer to.

He is well aware that his old house needs the insulation upgraded and better windows and weather sealing and he cannot afford it; but the only subsidy available was for solar panels (PV) on the roof.

So he put PV on the roof.

I seem to remember Carter's administration had a subsidy / tax break for ANY energy use improvement from insulation to windows. Wonder where that went?

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01/05/2009 12:54 AM

Google HUD and you will find the still available home energy upgrade incentive package.

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01/04/2009 5:00 PM

Good Post.

A lot of what you mention will soon be done since the cost of heating will rise dramatically just like Gas prices. High Gas prices prodded car makers into accelerated programs for more fuel efficiency and consumers into driving less.

Affect the pocket book and things will change for the better.

I had a Supervisor in the 50's who was raised in England. We were paying 0.15 cents a gallon for Gas, except when a Gas War was on, and he said prices in England were 4-6.00, gallon. His parents car was 14 years old when he left and it had 1,635 Kilometers on it. Only used for summer vacations since their house was 5 blocks from where his Father worked. Groceries and other needs were also in walking distance.

It's not going to get better unless someone finds so much easy to get Crude that competition takes effect again. Don't hold your breath for that to happen though.

Even the very small amount of reduced driving, caused by the high prices, has brought prices back down from what they were just a few weeks back.

There will be a lot more Car Pooling and a lot more errands run in one trip plus any other way to reduce fuel consumption in the future.

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01/04/2009 9:48 PM

Hi Marcot,

It is a very good point you make about the A/C. I thought it was only us dumb Aussies that had our shopping centres (malls) overcooled in summer and over heated in winter. I guess we just copied you guys. Why not write to your local political representatives and demand an education programme, it'll not only save energy but cut costs for the owners, unless, of course, they do not pay full rate for their electricity. Maybe, the tenants in the malls could bring pressure to bear as they are the ones who pay the utilities through rents etc.

If enough people complain, change will occur. Just hope you're are not like us complacent Aussies.


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01/05/2009 9:42 PM

Why be post active, Fly a chopper around in the cold and take thermal images. Send the hot spots and too cold spots information and contact them. Then supply them with a list of bonded contractors to complete the work and follow up with a new thermal image after the work is complete.

Oh yeah we are dealing with bureaucracies who will demand funding, pay it out, submit the minimum paperwork mandated and never check that the work was to spec, just tell each other what a good job they have done. The maverick who does his job as a public servant will be promoted to a corner office, giving a harmless task and forgotten.

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01/05/2009 10:00 PM

U.V.

That is actually a good idea if we remove the sarcastic part (probably true though)but could we use a satellite instead of a chopper. Just like Google world. Could we look at the images in infrared?

Since we already paid for the satellite infra-structure, we could make a good use for it. It should be cheaper than flying choppers around. The map overlay already has the street names and door numbers. The system could probably be automated.

This thermal detection system could send a friendly reminder to the worst energy losers and inform them of the new program.

That might work.

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01/05/2009 10:21 PM

Thanks marcot,

I get peeved at the system. I've worked at the trades and know how some will use it. This stimulus package would put much more money at the personal level and do some real economic good.

Congress could get the military to use some of its IR tech to spot issues for resolution. The military would complain but provide the low res info.

Could even set it up like a grant system and have more local control but oversight will still be the problem.

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01/09/2009 1:30 AM

I hope they build a coast to coast north to south high speed rail system and then use ut as the new power grid.

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01/09/2009 10:31 AM

That also makes more sense than bailing out criminals and the inept.

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01/09/2009 6:17 PM

Money is like a drung to Americans. Easy access to credit by Americans has caused or allowed businesses to aggressively seek easy, super cheap access and even to bribe their way around the world to get cheap access to natural resoucres so they can profit from the debt Americans are willing to carry.

Looks like Debt is no longer going to be accepted. Many of us who live BELOW OUR MEANS all the time jumped in the Stock Market and have been making the easy money on stocks as it trys to rebound. The Financial System is heaving in effort to stand unaided by the USA Government or any other government. When it heave we sell at the top and when it falls we buy back in and wait. We have already recovered all the money lost in our 401k and 403.

The USA can no longer afford to be the dumping ground for products and consume 35 % of the world production.

We only have 5 % of the worlds population.

Remember uf you live within your means like the Credit Cards compays like to say. You will be broke all the time.

Live below your means and pay yo0urself first with a deposit into a savings account. We prastice to save 2 dollar out of every 5 dollar we make.

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01/11/2009 1:39 PM

Oh Yeah! We getting there somehow definetly. In my opinion we'll have to begin with putting the thousands of homeless all over into the houses first before anything else breakthrough, since without the house what else anyone may do further?

Now, all the bailouts approachs sounds good absolutly since 'the patient' really do need a huges "$hot$ no doubth about it. All sounds good to me so far as long as the same thing happen again. You know same old same old, You know! No that this and this budget have to be freeze for this and this first purposes and at the end the 'common joe's' didn't get the real deal. You know! Like that funny ad of 'Where is the Filling? Very Funny! Definetly. And the other question will be, How come some 'Towns' have a surplus budget while others have deficits? Hmmmmnnnn! I don't Know?

Anyhow let that dollars machine$ running on hi non stop to really inject the good stuff straigth to the liver and revive the patient back on bussines. And no more schemes and scams fooling around in order to break even this time, Fair? Fair! Sure Thing!

Open those dollars valves full throttle and chained there my friends, Open Position and Forget It. Allset...... Show U$ the Money!

Where is the Juice?

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