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Sizing Hydraulic Turbines

01/06/2009 5:26 PM

Hello everybody:

For a hydroelectric power plant with a Net Head of 25 m, and a design flow of 80 m³/s, 2 Kaplan turbines were suggested by the Consultant: one is going to work with 65 m³/s and the other with 15 m³/s, because this is the best combination of flows to obtain the best performance of the turbines and a profitable income as well.

As a matter of fact, in my experience I have learnt that an arrangement like this, would require a flow of 40 m³/s for each turbine or, in other words, it is required to install two identical turbines. This is very important when the maintenance work comes to scene (i.e. just one particular spare part for both turbines, or generators, or transformers, etc.).

I would like to hear your opinions/comments on this subject and, if possible, please give me the reference articles, papers or any source of information in this matter.

Thanks to you in advance.

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Re: Hydraulic turbines of different size

01/07/2009 1:07 AM

Over here the best option may be using different sizes but you will have to calculate and compare the economics etc over the long run of the two options under your conditions.

Out of curiosity: What is the difference in the initial and running costs of the systems?

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Re: Hydraulic turbines of different size

01/07/2009 9:53 AM

Hello everybody:

Thanks Hendrik. I am not sure if I understand your question but, anyway, I send to you the following figures: according to the cashflow, with the arrangement of two turbines of 40 m³/s the energy produced is 73.503 MWh and the invoice is US$6,394.761. With turbines of 65 m³/s and 15 m³/s the energy produced is 75.461 MWh and the invoice is US$6,607.689.

At first glance, it looks OK but, I have the feeling that other considerations must be taken account. That is the reason to post my enquiry in this Forum.

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Re: Sizing Hydraulic Turbines

01/07/2009 10:55 PM

Also please look at this thread,

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/26076/hydro-turbines

There are more threads about hydro-turbines and sizing -

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01/07/2009 10:57 PM

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Re: Sizing Hydraulic Turbines

01/08/2009 12:34 AM

Sir,

Your calculations seem to be fairly accurate and good. I don't know what type of customers are there as a user but as far as reliability is concerend you should also consider. For example in case of common mode of failure, you have loss of both hydraulic turbines. While in case of diverse nature of turbines there is less chance of common failure.

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Re: Sizing Hydraulic Turbines

01/08/2009 4:23 AM

It is always better to have two identical units from design, spares angle. It is better to have two units operating at head of 25m and unit discharge of 40 cumecs. The unit rating will be 8.5MW. I have enclosed the preliminary design calculations

However, if it is an irrigation project, depending on the irrigation discharge your consultant may have suggested having two units with discharge of 15 cumecs and 65 cumecs. However, this requires an indepth study. For a unit of 25m head and 15 cumecs, the unit capacity will be 3MW and for a unit of 25m head and 65 cumecs discharge, the unit rating will be 14MW

For such operating heads and unit capacities it is preferable to install horizontal tubular units with a speed increaser thereby decreasing the civil and E & M costs.

Please examine the possibility of installing identical turbines of 8.5MW capacity since the generating units, transformers, busducts, ODY equipments will be identical and you can save substantially on spares management. The equipment cost will also be lower since detailed Engineering will be done for 8.5MW capacity and not two different capacities

SAMUEL CHELLIAH

DETERMINATION OF HYDRAULIC LAYOUT OF KAPLAN TURBINE

PROJECT

0

STATE

0

GENERAL PROJECT DATA

ALTERNATE NO. 1

Rated speed

93.75

rpm

Specific speed in rpm kW/ mRunner discharge dia (D

3) in m

Height of runner from top of DT to top in m (HDT)Spiral casing length (L

s)

Spiral casing width (W

s)

Width of PH in m
Rated head

25.00

m

526.13

7.38

2.07

27.96

23.93

45

Unit rated capacity

85000

kWLength of powerhouse in mPlant sigma (σ)Suction head (Hs) in mTurbine setting in mTurbine CL in EL mDistributor CL in EL mDeepest DT in EL m

106

0.7480

-28.56

-5.94

-5.94

-3.87

-22.76

OL capacity

10

%
OL capacity

93500

kW

ALTERNATE NO. 2

Rated speed

90.91

rpm

Specific speed in rpm kW/ mRunner discharge dia (D

3) in m

Height of runner from top of DT to top in m (HDT)Spiral casing length (L

s)

Spiral casing width (W

s)

Width of PH in m
No. of units

2

510.18

7.49

2.10

28.26

24.19

46

MIV included (1)/ not included (0)

1

Length of powerhouse in mPlant sigma (σ)Suction head (Hs) in mTurbine setting in mTurbine CL in EL mDistributor CL in EL mDeepest DT in EL m

107

0.7112

-25.54

-5.08

-5.08

-2.98

-22.14

Minimum TWL

0

m

ALTERNATE NO. 3

Rated speed

88.24

rpm

Specific speed in rpm kW/ mRunner discharge dia (D

3) in m

Height of runner from top of DT to top in m (HDT)Spiral casing length (L

s)

Spiral casing width (W

s)

Width of PH in m

495.18

7.60

2.12

28.57

24.46

46

Length of powerhouse in mPlant sigma (σ)Suction head (Hs) in mTurbine setting in mTurbine CL in EL mDistributor CL in EL mDeepest DT in EL m

108

0.6772

-22.75

-4.05

-4.05

-1.93

-21.36

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#7

Re: Sizing Hydraulic Turbines

01/08/2009 10:16 AM

Hello everybody:

I want to give thanks to all for your valuable support.

Mr. Chelliah, I beg your pardon but, I am a little bit confused by the way the data of your calculations appear on my browser; I wonder if is it possible to view the table in a different manner?

Once again, thanks.

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Re: Sizing Hydraulic Turbines

04/07/2009 1:44 AM

I'm very sorry for the late reply since I have been suddenly transferred to a remote generating station. If you give me your e mail address, I will forward the data sheet. My e mail address is samuel_chelliah@yahoo.co.in

SAMUEL CHELLIAH

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