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VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

01/29/2009 12:34 AM

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I am raja, Please clarify the arrival of sqrt(3) in eqn VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph.

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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

01/29/2009 2:08 AM

Please draw phasor diagram of 3 phases (the center is the neutral) and calculate the Line to line Voltage

Simple mathematics

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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

01/29/2009 2:18 AM
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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

01/29/2009 2:55 AM

VL = Vp1 - Vp2
= Vp((00) - (1200))

= Vp(cos00 + sin 00) - (cos1200 + sin 1200))

= Vp(1 + 0) - (-1/2 + √3/2))

= Vp(3/2- √3/2))

= √3Vp(√3/2- 1/2))

= √3Vp(-300)

Assuming balanced phases (equal and equiphased)

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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

02/03/2009 12:42 PM

Pythagoras requires 2 right triangles to complete the logic; Isosceles had it in 1 triangle. Here is a link you can play with, but the basic relationship 1:1:√3 defines the two equal legs and the base.

I applaud the correctness and detail of your answer, but my instinct tells me that simple basics will be better understood in this case.

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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

09/02/2011 9:20 AM

Using the same triangle and assuming Vph1=Vph2 hence the angle between VL and Vph will = 30. There are two solutions:

1) VL1= Vph1 cos30+Vph2Cos30

VL= 2 Vph * Sqrt(3)/2 = Sqrt(3)* Vph

2) VL1/sin 120 = Vph1/sin 30= Vph2/sin30, that also will lead to:

VL=Sqrt(3)* Vph

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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

01/29/2009 10:19 AM

Think carefully about the triangular relationship between the voltage on each phase, and draw it out, as above, inside a circle that touches all three triangle points on the circle.

If one bisects the equilateral triangle, and applies Pythagoras' Theorem to the right-angled triangles formed, the √3 appears in the outcome. It is the relationship between the centre-to-one-point length and the one-point-to-another-point distance on the triangle, and therefore √3 is the ratio of phase-to-phase voltage divided by the phase-to-neutral voltage, in a 3-phase system.

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Re: VL=Sqrt(3)*Vph reason for sqrt 3

02/02/2009 1:36 AM

Look up isosceles triangles and you will note that with 2 equal legs of value "1" and an angle between them of 1200, the base will be = square root of 3.

This applies directly to the 1200 separation of electrical phases.

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