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Circuir Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)

02/06/2009 12:08 PM

I appreciate the answers of the questions below:

(1) What is the basic difference between Circuir Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)?

(2) For a motor starter, what is the selection criteria for selecting the Fuse or Circuir Breaker or MCP for short circuit protection?

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Re: Circuir Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)

02/06/2009 1:09 PM

A circuit breaker is a device that provides protection to the circuit components for both overload current and for short circuit current. Usually there are two mechanisms for this device.

A motor circuit protector has only the short circuit current protection. The reason this is allowed on motor circuits is the overloads which are required by code are sized to prevent the circuit from seeing an overload current. However, the overloads do not provide adequate protection from fault currents. Hope this helps you.

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Re: Circuit Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)

02/06/2009 3:18 PM

MP has given brief explanation about CB and MCP. I shall add a few points more to it.

Circuit breaker is a general term, as the name specifies it is a device used for making and breaking electric circuits for electrical appliances. Thee purpose of the CB is to provide protection. they can be divided into various groups depending on the size, Cassie, the medium of arc quenching and purpose of use and have various protective controls devices added to basic circuit breaker. They are,RCB ,MCB,MCCB,MOCCB, ACB,OCB , VCB,SF6, etc.

The Motor protection Circuit breakers are designed specifically for the overload and short circuit protection. This will include circuit breaking contractors and overload protection and in certain cases will include fuse protection. They are designated for th protection of various capacity motors. They are simple compact and with different models and current current settings..

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Re: Circuir Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)

02/07/2009 8:01 AM

The answer is more simple than this. A circuit breaker is thermal, as the bi-metal inside heats up from over current it will seperate breaking the circuit. With a motor protector Motor protector the event is magnetic. This is more precise and more expensive method.

Motor starters generally offer both types of protection along with a contactor. The selection is based on the motor size and can be selected by Nema sizing or NEC standards.

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02/07/2009 8:52 AM

It seems the same names cover different devices in different countries. In Hungary, circuit breaker is a device which is able do break a circuit under load. It needs some additional control equipment to be tripped. Motor circuit protector is an other device for triggering a breaker. It can have a thermal protection, an over-current protection and sometimes - especially the smaller ones - it contains the circuit breaker itself.

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Re: Circuir Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)

02/07/2009 6:23 PM

Yes, it does depend on what country you are in, because in different parts of the world the terms have different meanings.

But from the way the OP was worded, I would guess he is in the US, in which case the first response was correct. What we traditionally call a plain "Circuit Breaker" is an MCCB and it is a Thermal-Magnetic Device. Both the thermal trip and the magnetic, or "instantaneous" trip elements are set by the manufacturer and not adjustable. That magnetic setting can be anywhere from 250% to 1000% of the rating of the breaker. In the case of a motor starter, the starting current can be as high as 600% of the motor FLA. This may or may not fit within the tripping range of a standard Thermal-Magnetic circuit breaker. For example letssay you have a 25HP 460V motor, 32A FLA. If you chose a 40A circuit breaker to go in the motor starter, the magnetic trips may be fixed at 400%, or 160A. But the motor may draw 600% of 32A at startup, so that is 192A and the breaker will trip every time you try to turn it on.

So motor starter manufacturers can use what is called an IT (Instantaneous Trip) circuit breaker. An IT breaker has no thermal trip element, because it is only intended to be used as part of a factory assembled motor starter combination which will include a thermal overload relay. Most people are unaware of this, but it is ILLEGAL to use IT breakers in any other fashion that as part of a FACTORY ASSEMBLED motor starter! You can buy them all day long, but that is for replacement only; you cannot use them to build your own motor starter unless you want to go to the expense of having UL test the specific combination of components together, at a cost of about US$20,000. So if you are building your own combination motor starter from scratch, you must use a Thermal Mag. Circuit Breaker, in which case you have to be morecareul about knowing what the trip settings are.

The term "Motor Circuit Protector" (MCP) by the way is actually a registered trade name of Westinghouse, now owned by Eaton. But everyone uses the term indescriminately now to describe IT breakers.

Outside of the US, the term MCP is sometimes used to describe what we call "Motor Starter Protectors" or MSPs. These are thermal-magnetic devices with both the thermal and the magnetic trips being adjustable to be used on motor starter circuits either as a Manual Motor Starter or in combination with a contactor. But these are not typically UL listed for use in the US without having a true UL489 Listed Circuit Breaker somewhere up stream. A few are, and if you are wise enough to know the differences you can do that, but because some are not, you have to be very careful.

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02/09/2009 11:41 AM

Thanks all participating to this thread. It helps lot.

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Re: Circuir Breaker and Motor Circuit Protector (MCP)

08/21/2024 10:33 AM

A1) The first protects the wiring; the second protects the <...Motor...>.

A2) British Standard 7671 gives full protocols.

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