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02/21/2009 2:34 PM

my design build team for college has to deliver a tennis ball across a court. we were considering the use of springs to give the force behind the ball. is there a good place for a novice like me to find the spring i may need?

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02/21/2009 2:46 PM

http://www.globalspec.com/

You will be able to find a wide variety of springs using the link above.

I hope that your design will be more creative than a simple slingshot that any five year old could make.

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02/21/2009 3:24 PM

Springs......Ha..Small fry! Now, if it were my project, I'd use compressed air and launch that tennis ball into kingdom come!

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02/21/2009 3:23 PM

Bungee cord is probably best as it was better force extension characteristic than a coil or leaf spring.
Alternatively build a trebuchet.

(Trust me ...springy thingys are one of my specialities)
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02/21/2009 7:44 PM

I like mixing the mechanics.

Say, a pendulum that cranks a gear that complresses a spring that fills a pressure vessle that pneumatically fires a ball. And, a laser targeting device, solar powered of course, as coup de gras.

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02/22/2009 3:10 AM

I think that's a lawn mower you are thinking of

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02/22/2009 7:14 AM

The dog used to leave tennis balls in the yard. I became a pretty god shot with the mower.

When we first moved to central TX from the west TX desert I brought two box turtles (tortoises) with me - I was about 7 yrs old. Sounds like hitting a rock. Makes for a very sad little boy.

Oh where is that memory erasing pil?

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02/22/2009 10:23 AM

sorry to hear about your turtle... I can relate.

When I was 8.. we bought a cottage on the ottawa river... an old cedar log cabin, very rustic, and dozens of frogs on our waterfront... including a granddaddy bullfrog.. and hundreds of lily pads.. when I would go there.. I would run to the water front, and count how many frogs there were...and was very happy... Til one day, my brother got a new pellet gun.. I came along a few hours later, and had shot a dozen, plus the big bullfrog.. the only time I ever condemned someone to hell at the top of my lungs with tears.... oh man.

Then.. when I was 12, we moved to a 4 acre farm... I had 2 white rabbits.. Fred and Wilma.. and they were always chewing out of whatever chickenwire cages I could create...and getting into the garden.. my dad always warned me.. (army guy)... so I awoke to the sound of a gunshot one morning.. I buried her with a tombstone... "Here lies Wilma R. Rabbit...exectuted for eating the peas, on the morning of xx xx xxxx...RIP"

but its okay now..

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02/22/2009 12:03 PM

Oh..the poor frogs, I hope you Bro' feels guilty.
I love it in the spring when we first hear the croaking of the frogs in our garden pond.

When I was a kid I used to shoot arrows at a target up by the garden pond about 30yards away, one day I found one of my overshot arrows stuck through a frog. They are odd critters, it didn't seem in pain, but I dispatched it as humanely as I could with a brick.
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02/22/2009 4:18 PM

GA

That's the right way to fire tennis balls, vary the speed for distance, accuracy top!!

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02/23/2009 7:27 AM

what is that? your foreigner really can play.

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02/21/2009 11:31 PM

CATAPAULT!! on a small scale, much more energy than other technologies, and whole bunch more fun--good track record of success, also! (Think ---Romans!) (they do them with pumpkins, watermelons, and dwarfs(at least in Australia) )--Just have fun with whatever design you come up with--make sure it is out of the box------C-MAC

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02/22/2009 8:13 PM

Hardware stores or home centers have extension springs. The ultimate pitcher is based on an 8" of this type. Here is link to get a better idea of it's design.http://www.sluggerupm.com/downloads/UPM45QuickReference.pdf

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02/23/2009 11:33 AM

Steam catapult! If it's good enough for the Navy, its good enough for me.

Whatever happened to academic integrity? Can we get some of your credits when you graduate? With Google, the student at least has to pose a reasonable question for a useful search. I hope that the professor or adviser for your project does a simple Google search for "tennis ball" and "spring." Finds this thread and flunks anyone who uses a spring for the stored energy.

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03/02/2009 12:57 AM

I can't believe no one brought up a Polish cannon. I don't know if there is a politically correct name but they are cool and we made them as kids out of soup cans and duct tape. Butane or white gas now called unleaded was ignited with a quantity of air behind a tennis ball in the soup can cannon tube. Even fired Foot balls(US) out of a coffee can cannon. Touch hole size is important. So is clearing out the used gasses for the next shot. Also a small jet comes out the touch hole so don't burn yourself.

Be careful because gas fumes have a lot of power. We also have launched Gerry cans 50 foot into the air with gas fumes and they have a 3 inch hole.

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03/02/2009 2:56 AM

Living so close to Idaho you should know that you are talking about making a "Spud Pistal" which is the cousin of the "Spud Cannon" which is part of the greater "Spud Gun" family.

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03/02/2009 3:33 AM

...and there are several (scary!) YouTube videos showing them firing potatoes hundreds of meters.......using such cannons......OUCH!!!

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03/02/2009 11:29 AM

Never shot spuds, we ate them. Tennis balls were free because we didn't care if they were a little flat. Rarely did we fire them as a gun or pistol. More like a mortar.

Never fired them to hit someone either. We could shoot them over twice as far as they could be hit with a racket. At a range where it would be accurate I'm sure it would knock you off your feet. At just over 4 foot the back pressure started deforming the breach. Air fuel ratios are a bit tricky too get exact.

I have some Shelby Tubing I bet wouldn't have that problem but I would hate to lift it much.

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03/18/2009 11:53 PM

this thread has gone around the corner. when i first posted the question i only wanted to know where a novice like myself could get information on springs and their purchase.

we have design limits, we have budget limits, etc.

some replies have been helpfull or at least entertaining. some, however, have been turse or even rude. I am sorry if my freshman community college design build seems ameture, IT IS. I am an ameture. that is why i am in school.

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03/19/2009 10:53 AM

If my comment insulted you, well let me just quote Steve Martin. "Well excuse me!" Part of your academic learning process, should include research techniques that go far beyond asking a blog group to do your work. Your OP showed little to no initiative toward solving your design goals. You did not ask for a spring with stated properties. Nor did you show any level of understanding of the task given to you.

We all have design limits and budget limits in life. Achieving them or not is part of the learning process.

I hope this is some helpful information for you. If you fail at placing your tennis ball on the target or even getting close, you probably won't fail your design class. You're learning the design process itself by choosing your approach and striding to fulfill it. Don't rob yourself of this opportunity by just assembling somebody else's idea.

I'm certain that if you return with more specific questions on your project, I and others will be happy to help.

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03/19/2009 7:43 PM

Don't get your tail in a twist When asking for information realize your question is open for interpretation from many perspectives.

What you are learning is how to discern and developing your personal system to do so. A below average IQ researcher with a good discernment system will be able to get more out of the classical mess than a brilliant researcher with a poor discernment system.

In in other words a good BS filter, goal and planning system can take you there faster then wandering without direction. Learn to find what you need fast by asking the right questions.

I like to start at my goal and work backwards. This gives me direction. If I don't know my goal then I at least have an area of interest and I become familiar with it. A point will come when I start being able to discern the dynamics and can make reasonable deductions to find my goal then see if resources are available and worth while. Now you have the foundation to plan.

Develop a systematic approach to problem solving and refine it continuously.

This is the short and simple version. It took me a while to even discern the need. Even longer to systematize it.

CR4 is a very dynamic (lots of variables) group. Many will not answer you because of the guest dogma of other guests actions. I pick and choose guest by their actions.

I rarely ask questions of CR4 because I don't get the understanding to go with the answers. I'll start researching my question for them and usually find the answer in developing the knowledgeable question.

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03/19/2009 8:16 PM

GA... would love to hear the long version of this if you get time, and I'm sure all of CR4 would benefit! or where do I buy the book?

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Still in development (the system that is).

A nuclear engineer friend of mine explained the teaching system the navy developed to keep from losing it's high tech systems to greenhorns. Systematic Approach to Training.

We should be using it in our schools but that is another issue. After we had many long discussions about it we lost contact with each other and I have tried to find out more and found very little. Go figure. This was several years ago so more may be available now.

Anyway along time ago a very astute man Bruce Lee (yes 'The' ) said "if it works use it if it don't throw it away" He was referring to the classical mess/dogmas of martial arts but I realized it was a short cut through the classical messes.

The pearls of wisdom come from many places. One of my favorites is The Art of Wealth by Thomas Cleary. Based on writings from a man in India 275 years BCE.

Japan has taken Constant Improvement as their national motto.

Systematic Constant Improvement should be the world's. Who knows I may have to write the book just to finish systematizing it for myself.

Can you tell I take many directions for the discernment process? Then again if I would have had the book at a younger age and had comprehended its use, it would be a revision.

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03/20/2009 12:05 PM

I look forward to it! let me know when it comes out. In the meantime, thanks for the link. I'll try and chase that one down, and look into any navy docs I'm able to find.

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