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03/28/2009 2:06 AM

With all the economic upheaval, I'm just wondering how everyone is doing? For our manufacturing we are DOWN about 30% with predictions of being worse by mid-year. But, I count that as lucky, because many others are in much worse condition.

To the contrary, on the product development side, I am busier than ever, because it seems a significant number of clients are positioning themselves to be ready with new products when it all starts to recover. At the same time, though, I am being flooded lately with contacts from folks I haven't 'known' for years, now finding themselves unemployed, looking for anything from solid employment to some consulting work. (unfortunately, I have little to offer)

So, I am wondering from our CR4 community, what are you experiencing? Is your work stable or at least safe? Are your customers (whomever they may be) suffering causing your work to be slow?

What are your thoughts?

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03/28/2009 5:55 AM

Dcad,

Mass production units are forced to produce to the efficient level of designed plant productivity, to prevent utilization losses.Many managements believe in to produce,dump and sell no matter whether true demand exists or not[stock lots].Then comes discount sales.Many prodution people are unaware of market conditions[,on sa fer side they are not informed about].24 hours 365 days may be a big idea to companies,but not to available resources sustainability[ENERGY,POWER,FUELS,ENVIRONMENT]. Is it worth this 24hrs humans working and producing?I think it needs a rethinking.The balancing aspect can be ultra speed productivity,limited production hours,energy efficiency and optinized production plan.Seasons will change and hopes are for a better tomorrow.No situation is permanent.

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03/28/2009 8:47 AM

The company I work for seems to be doing well. No one's been laid off or anything. I don't know how long this will last since other companies are either closing or downsizing. Several have cut down on their working hours. This translates to people having less take home pay and that means less buying power.

I expect sales to decline a bit. How much, I don't know. We're trying to come up with other strategies to gain market share and conteract some of it but, still, I don't know.

One of the big big bosses came over recently and tried to answer some of our questions. He seemed pretty upbeat about our capability to weather the storm.

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03/28/2009 9:06 AM

It is disheartening that after all the ups and downs we have gone through in business that we haven't developed the ability to see past our noses. My company probably trained and developed at least 100,000 engineers and let them go for "Budgetary Reasons".

Instead of planning properly for the lifetime of the company we are interested in only the next quarter. We have no interest in putting something aside for the bad times that are going to follow the good.

We have become lazy, we want to make money without making a product and we think we are smart enough to manipulate a system that is based simply on greed.

We are so self righteous that we preach our commitment to honesty and fair play while we search diligently for ways around our obligations.

So we are the kind of a company that looks at it's work force not as assets but costs.

Anyone else work for this bunch?

In answer to the question, we are fairly busy and gun shy like everyone else. We can't believe there is any business out there based on the 24/7 news coverage that assures us more is on the way.

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03/29/2009 12:00 AM

I'm not at liberty to give any details, but we are doing at least as well as a year ago, and if a couple of recent items come to fruition, much better!

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03/29/2009 8:04 AM

I'm graduating this summer and the company I planned to work for has a hiring freeze.

Also since the managers didn't want to fire anyone, all the employees worldwide had a 5% decrease in their pay, including executives.

For me that means maybe attending a MSc program for a year or two, since I still want to work with that company and I'm willing to wait and improve my skills in the mean time.

So its no tragedy for me. The reality is that its a very bad storm out there that needs to be weathered.

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03/29/2009 8:59 AM

I January 09, I left a Company after I weathered 6 Lay Offs in 2008. They have since "Furloughed" half of what was left of the company. This means they were sent home without pay and told to wait 6 months and they would call them back. I too am receiving emails and phone calls from my former co-workers looking for jobs.

The industry that makes the equipment used to create Wafers (MicroChips) is going through hard times. We sold to all Major Manufactures of Wafers (T.I., Toshiba, Lam, AMAT, etc.). These industries have dramatically scaled back there production.

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03/29/2009 11:57 AM

Hi DCaD,

I work for a manufacturing company that has/is laying off about 3,000. The good news is that the stocks I have looked at all show a recent up-curve indicating that they have bottomed out and are heading upward. Officially we are in a bull market because of 20% increase since the bottom.

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03/29/2009 4:49 PM

I work as a sales rep for Schaeffer Manufacturing, a 170 year old lubricant and fuel additives company. We have seen a 10% increase in growth this year.

I can only assume that, though our customers have considerably decreased their production, everyone now sees the need to reduce consumption. Since our customers, utilizing our products, are typically able to reduce their consumption 50%, they have become Schaeffer's best salesmen. 97% of our customers, when asked, would recommend our products to their friends and relatives.

My customers now have a propensity to test my assertions before they purchase company-wide. Prior to this down-turn, it was harder to convince them to even test the product.

In addition, we are hiring those persons that have the aptitude for sales, and the ability to take rejection. Please call me anytime if you are interested @ 216-401-1845.

I wish everyone else good luck.

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03/29/2009 8:29 PM

My contracts ends at the end of June, orders are low, one of our factory layed off 300 people, so i guess i will be let go too

c'est la vie

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03/29/2009 9:05 PM

I used to work for the steel industry in the US but have been retired for several years. We went through all the cutbacks, etc. but to no avail. Look at the steel industry in the US (or worldwide for that matter). Just glad I'm retired.

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03/29/2009 10:37 PM

Quit a job in the Environmental Industries, which was doing good. to work back in the Mechanical/Electro Mechanical Design industry.

The new company laid off half the personal including myself after a month of working there. Frankly when you get down to it, they never should have been hiring in the firat place.

Other than that................ok.

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03/30/2009 1:43 AM

That's really horrible. Truth is, not even the hiring staff is often informed.

I had a situation about 22 years ago where I hired new engineer and moved him and his wife from the east coast to the west coast. He surived just long enough to sell his house there, and buy one in California. THEN I was told I needed to cut my budget by 40% (my budget was 90% salaries), and I had no choice in the mix but to let him go. Needless to say, I felt like crap, and he was very angry (actually a lot more than angry, but that's a whole different story).

Those of us who had that very unpleasent task are often just as surprised as the one getting the axe. Oh, and I have also been on the receiving end before, so that's how I know the feeling.

Good luck, friend.

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03/30/2009 6:52 AM

Thanks,

It was a small company........ They knew.

The first day electrical engineer introduced himself as My name is ... .........., and I'm the electrical engineer, but to let you know, I know nothing about electrical engineering. It was true. There where two self proclaimed engineer. This guy, and the sales. The sales guy, I can see, they do that all the time. The assemblers, actually the shop personal were disgusted by it.

I posted a thread earlier about it in engineering careers, just to vent on about the subject. At Least Have Some Experience

It one of the choices one has to do, but I take responsibility for what I did.

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03/30/2009 8:49 PM

I really understand that situation. Actually, I am non-degreed, but have been in my field now for 39 years, so I'm not shy or embarrassed to say it.

[When I was at the job where I had to cut the staff so severely, I was the Manager of Development Engineering with several Phd's, Masters', and EE's working for me. It was strange for me in the beginning, but it actually worked out quite well ... apparently, all my predecessors were prone to 'competing' with the staff instead of just leading, guiding, directing, interceding for them with corporate, and letting them do their jobs.]

In my current adventure in China (10 years now), I am always bombarded with staff (especially at my suppliers) who are called 'engineers', but who clearly are not, neither by education nor experience. Internally in my company, I have managed to evolve the staff to a point where there are good, capable folks who acknowledge their limitations and at least ask for help when they're over their heads.

Although its a moot point, I wish you could have stayed at the last 'small' company ... you could have made a difference, and that has its own rewards.

Hang in there, and if there's any way I can help (we all know people who know people who know people), send me note and I'll do what I can.

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03/30/2009 9:00 PM

Actual a good manager can just be a catalyst to utilize the resources?

I really look at competence, which can be pretty clear right away (wish I would have meet him during my interviews, he was there?). degrees do come secondary for me.

I wish I could have stay there also, but the project was too large for the small company for me to have laid back even slightly. Payroll eats away at a small company. And it get to a point they leave no alternatives. So I actually believe I did do my job, shook things up for them to do something.

I can get over with hard feelings but I have no regrets.

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03/30/2009 9:37 AM

I usually contract independently in software for aviation.

We were being held up nicely by government spending, but the recent cancellation of a large helicopter program reflects general belt-tightening in the defense sector.

I'm working for about 60% of what I was earning after 5 months on the street and while the current project is promising, it is limited in duration. Still looking.

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03/31/2009 4:15 AM

Hello DCaD,

I am located close to San Francisco. I've worked 3 years with a company who injection mold for an Auto Plant called NUMMI. NUMMI is a combination of Toyota and GM from 1984 till now. They make Toyota Corolla and Tundra and Pontiac Vibe Cars. Sales on both cars are down ~10% and Trucks by ~ 70%.

We mirror NUMMI production and have been on a 4-day week Jan and Feb, and a 3-day week March with April at 4-day week with a week off in the middle (= 3-day week in April)

May back to 4-day weeks and June ?, they hope back to 5 days for the duration.

The time off was to reduce inventory on dealer lots to the 60 day norm for Toyota. Toyota sales were off a combined 37% in December 08. They cut production by 40% immediately. Corolla and Vibe are solid sellers where as Lexus sales are off ~ 80% or higher on the larger cars.

Generally in this area, people are lucky to have a job. The company above laid off ~ 180 people so far and 18 more are due this week. Many union workers working 3-day weeks were further reduced to 7 hr days. It is survival mode.

I am happy to have a job and have side work to get by. Many do not have that option and it is pitiful to hear the sad stories from cities like Sacramento and Fresno in the Central Valley of California. There are large tent cities growing, as many out of work people have lost their homes and their work and have to resort to tents. There are 3,000 + recently homeless families to be cared for.

It is important to try to keep up the morale and take a night course or improvement course where possible. It is hard to say if there has been any improvement, it looks like it is in a holding pattern with the bulk of layoffs done for now.

What brought you to China. I spent 7 weeks around Shenzhen about 1 1/2 years ago getting 75 molds built. I really have good contacts there and they are worse off than us at the moment as they depend heavily on offshore contracts to feed their vast economy. I would go back in a second, pollution was tough but the people were great.

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Hi Tinker,

Good to hear from you and to know you are surviving for the moment, yet have a heart of compassion for those who are having a more difficult time than us.

I worked in the Shenzhen area for nearly 4 years before coming to the central part of the country. When in the south I didn't actually 'live' there, but was sort of 4 months 'on' and one month back in the States. The south has it's own flavor, sort of like the old west, but made out of concrete.

In October '03 we moved our division (including nearly 700 people) to Suzhou, about 90 miles in from Shanghai. Compared to the south, its civilization. Extremely modern and progressive. Many universities here, so the talent pool is rich. Here is also one of the largest ex-pat populations in China, so there are a lot of great restaurants for us foreigners. A good place to live. Normal. Families, couples, kids, elderly, CLEAN, and SAFE. I work in an industrial park, but not quite like I'm used to in the States. This one (one of two major in Suzhou) is over 130 square miles hosting probably every major brand and trade in the world ... but, how would I know ... in a park this size, you can never really see everything.

I came to China for the same reason I moved from Indiana, to Texas, to California, and back to Indiana since 1970 ... to work to pay for the house some bank was kind enough to let me live in for regular monthly payments . The industry I have been a part of for this many years was getting smaller and smaller in the States, and when a chance arose, I took it ... a difficult transition at first, but one I am very happy I made. It's impossible to explain (I can't even explain it to my family, although my wife now understands completely), but China has become my home. Sure, we have problems everywhere, but who (and where) doesn't? The real value of China isn't 'stuff' (although there is huge money being spent on infra-structure), but her real value is people. Hard-working, eager to learn, never taking anything for granted, diligent people. Truly, some of the best friends I have ever had are here.

You are right about the economic impact here ... country wide ... AND, the first I have heard who knows of it from afar. The south was hurt the most, as literally tens-of-thousands of companies closed, both large and small. Few realize that most of what the world enjoys is either made entirely here, or the component parts are made here, and that includes everything from pharmaceuticals to wind turbines. There is a saying here, that "when the US sneezes, the world catches a cold", and man isn't that the truth. We employ about 4000 people overall, and about 35% of those are directly tied to the automotive OEM industry (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, VW, Citroen, Fiat, etc). Of the other 65%, about half are tied to the automotive aftermarket, so all has had a large impact.

Still, I won't give up . As with all companies, we have many problems that need solutions, so I am pushing to take advantage of the 'slow' times to 'build' and 're-build' and 'repair' systems, procedures, and facilities to make us a little better. SO FAR, no lay-offs, but there's nothing to brag about, because anything can happen. I'm putting in about 80 to 90 hours a week (always about 60), but that's not money in the pocket, but hopefully it's future work for me and others as payment.

You said, "good luck", and sir I hope that for us all ... those of us with still some income and hope, and certainly to the many who are now 'between jobs'. There's no easy answers, and I for one, don't hope for any staggering news from government (any government), but believe it will come down to the hard work of many, and a compassionate heart from those who can lend a hand.

Thanks for your comments, and best wishes to you and those close to you ...

Kind regards ...

[BTW, although I haven't been in the south for several years, I have heard the air-born pollution situation has vastly improved.]

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04/01/2009 8:21 PM

So do you speak Mandarin now?

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Hi Epke,

VERY LITTLE, especially considering the time I have been here ... there are many things I can do well, but learning Mandarin doesn't seem to be one of them.

One reason, is that I am surrounded by many who speak very good English, so although 'immersed', I am not 'pushed' to learn. Another reason, is everyone wants me to teach them English rather than they teaching me Chinese. Actually, I DO teach two classes now (spare time ) ... I love teaching. Another reason is my work-load ... I know the saying about MAKING time, but in the past couple of years, there really hasn't been any, and my schedule is so variable, it makes it very hard to attend regular classes. Still, I do know enough to navigate and get where I need to go and do what I need to do. And, learning happens every day (fortunately).

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04/01/2009 10:12 PM

Well My situation is different as the English Level in Japan is terrible, so i have to learn Japanese. But you called China your Home so i expected that your also learn your "home" countries language, what i know off Chinese is that it is more complicated than Japanese.

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Grammatically, it is a very simple language, but to read and write and pronounce is very difficult, at least for 'westerners'. The language is syllabic and tonal which seems very 'foreign' (no pun intended) to westerners. Dictionaries help very little because most speech is a composite of 'words' often with a very different or abstract meaning. (mama huhu -- literally 'horse horse tiger tiger' means 'so-so' ... dongxi -- literally 'east-west' means something like 'thing' or referring to something 'indiscriminate' ... often you hear people say "zhege dongxi" which means "this thing")

I often THINK I am saying something correctly, and when someone else finally says it correctly, it doesn't sound any different ... it can be very frustrating. The other half is, if I am somewhere and begin to use Chinese, I am quickly flooded with conversation where a am lost ... folks seem to think if I know a little, then I must know a lot. It creates a sort of 'shyness' to use the language, fearing you can quickly get over your head.

I DO know more than I think I do (I know that sounds strange), because when pushed, I seem to be able to remember a lot. My difficulty in using it at work is that my communications need is fast-paced, so taking the time to stumble through my poor language skills just doesn't work, not when I can more easily communicate with most in English.

I think my biggest problem is I THINK TO MUCH about the language, instead of just using it.

So, what's your situation in Japan? Where are you? What are you doing there?

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Well i have similar problems, if i start speaking Japanese, i also get fast paced Japanese, even when i say yukuri to kantan kotoba hanashite kudasai(please speak slow and simple language) they don't seem to comprehend it.

I am in aomoriken (just below de northern island Hokkaido)

working as design engineer for MJC Japan (maikuronikusu)Micronics

And the economic situation is degrading here also

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Thanks for adding From the Movie "The Big Lebowski" to your tag line. I'm not much of a movie goer, so haven't seen that movie (in fact I'm not sure I've even heard of it), but at least now I know that there is an origin to what I find to be a very strange quote.

You'll note that I still haven't found one that I consider appropriate for myself, so I can't complain...

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Hello there DcaD,

Thank you for the reply, I have been busy and am now just trolling through the site. You have had some cool life experience.

I moved to San Francisco in '81 so I know what its like to be a foreigner, still. Best of Luck to all there, if things get moving here soon I may get to visit China again for the next big car project. I understand what you said about the language and getting quickly overwhelmed when you initiate a conversation in Chinese. I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to get around, as there always seemed to be a buddiing english scholar ready to help.

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04/23/2009 6:55 PM

I'm really late in posting here -- but that's because we're so busy!

My company is in semiconductors. Like DCaC, we currently have more work than we can handle. But money is really tight (as a shareholder, I've been skipping some paydays to help keep things afloat). So we can't increase staff. Serious dilemma! We would *love* to hire some new grads to offload the senior design staff, but can't ... yet.

The good news: Our industry tends to lead the general economy by 6 to 9 months, so we hope to see a general turnaround by the end of the year. A few more months of postponing home repairs and eating mac-and-cheese, and then maybe we can breathe easier & start hiring!

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Hi AN,

OMG, I can remember my wife and I going WEEKS on hot-dogs and macaroni and cheese.

Although I can relate to you pain, I'm also glad to here you talking about your own personal investment. There are a lot of folks who somehow believe that salaries and benefits are somehow 'owed' to them, and never fully grasp the concept of "it takes money in to be able to pay money out".

Thanks for your post. This encouragement (at least to me) is never too late.

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