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Tidal Generated Power

04/09/2009 11:25 AM

I had a thought about a way to harness tidal energy. I've looking at horizontal blades for a wind generator. The thing that I liked about this type of blade design is that it will pick up the wind from any direction. Now I don't want to get into the pros and cons of this design with the wind. Lets keep this to the water.

My thought was using this in some kind of tidal application. The thing that I've seen with the tidal generators is that they have to turn around depending on if the tide is coming in or out. Well what if you used a squirrel cage type design in the water the wheel would always be turning in the same direction no matter what the direction the water was moving. It should be a pretty simple thing to build and you might be able to use some sort of anchored platform to hold the generator and the squirrel cage would be underwater. I can see how this blade design wouldn't be as effecient as a propller type of blade. But it can be nice and long and build very cheaply. Because it could be built with a small diameter but any length you want then you could put it in some pretty shallow water. Much more shallow then a prop could be.

I live in the midwest so I'm about as far from the ocean as you can get so I don't know much about the ocean. Maybe this isn't new and it is already being used. But I haven't seen anything on something that looks like this and I try to keep an eye on alterntive energy sources. Is this a dumb idea or not? I'd like to hear what others think of the idea.

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Re: Tidal Generated Power

04/09/2009 11:09 PM

Although this is not a new approach it would work as well as many I've seen. One drawback is not having an inherent flywheel effect. A bi-directional Well's Turbine that uses chimney and air pressure of tidal waves is pretty effective and has some reasonable efficiency numbers.

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04/10/2009 12:53 AM

It is a great idea, and already being put to use.

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04/10/2009 1:54 AM

Watched a documentary the other day on this subject and there are four others attempting this technology. Some of these folks have been in the field for 20 plus years trying this out. The biggest problem they are having is the "propellers blades" breaking free of the hub. The power output of these small size generators is quite high considering their size of blades.

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04/10/2009 9:21 AM

I've seen that. It is really impressive. But hugh and I can't imagine how expensive it was to build. I know the efficiency is way up there but I'm thinking on a smaller scale. Something you might power your dock with. It would look something like this. Except that it would have fewer blades and it would be long, I'm thinking 12 to 15 feet. I got the idea from a back yard windmill project. You use wood slats and they are pretty easy to assemble. I don't think you could use wood in the ocean though. But if you set something like this horizontally then all that would be in the water are the blades and shaft. You could run a chain or belt up to a raft or maybe your dock where your generator would be mounted. But you can make them a long as you have room for and you might even be able to gang them together. Who cares if they are efficient if they are cheap to build and maintain. You just add more to get the power you need. Thanks for the interest.

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04/10/2009 11:57 AM

There is something that has been on the market for awhile, the jack rabbit submersible hydro generator or Aquair UW Submersible Hydro Generator and may be adaptable to your cage idea. It was originally designed to catch tidal flows off of oil platforms in Alaska.

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04/10/2009 6:12 PM

Hey good idea, I was thinking on the large commercial scale type. The problem I was running into was drag on the non producing part, if the unit was submersed...doesn't have to be.

Mount your system on pontoons, anchored one way. This will keep the system in the proper orientation to the tide. Have only a small portion of the wheel submerged, this will reduce the drag. Cover the system as it would be in a furnace application. Change the drive motor to a generator, connect to shore. System can be brought in during sever weather. How's that.

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04/11/2009 10:21 AM

In the 1990s there was a show on the Discovery channel called Beyond 2000. There they showed a new invention that took advantage of large waves crashing against the shore. Not sure where the show was shot at but it was rocky cliffs that rose high above the sea, and a location that had costant large waves. There they constructed a very large diameter column, "20 feet or larger", that reached from the top of the cliff down the cliff face into the water below where it sat on it's base. The column had a large opening at the base to allow the waves to enter and exit. This pushed a huge volume of air up and down inside the column at tremendous force. At the top of the column they installed a large multi blade rotor that filled the diameter of the column at the top. It's blades were triangle shaped so it would spin under power the same direction no mater which way the air flow was going. The rotor turned a generator. It's hard to explain the size of these things but they were saying it was going to be used to run entire towns, maybe multiple units. Haven't seen anything about it since the show.

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04/12/2009 8:05 PM

A few designs here for you to look at from this web site

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