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Linear Positioning and Feedback

04/13/2009 11:55 PM

A common linear positioning system will use a hydraulic cylinder with a "temposoninc" probe in it, a PLC with QB module and a servo or proportional valve all working together to achieve the desired speed, work load and accuracy. I need a far less expensive way to position 500 lbs 12" travel within .020" in one second. It is simple to use an inexpensive cylinder and directional valve with an external tempo rod, but you still have the PLC, QB module, etc.

My only set points are: 1/16", 1/8", 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", 1", 2", 3", 4", 5", 6", 7",8 ", 9", 10", 11", 12". I have a button for each on the control panel. What is a simple way to position this load without stacked cylinders?

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Re: Linear Positioning and Feedback

04/14/2009 12:57 PM

You say, "position 500 lbs," but you don't say where. If it's vertically moving, that's one thing, but if it's moving horizontally on rails, that's much easier.

To move a 500 lb inertial load 12" in 1 second is one of the problems, and hydraulics may be the only way to do it inexpensively, as I haven't calculated the required torque or power needed for a ballscrew, which would be my first choice if not too demanding.

1/4 turn of a 4-pitch screw gives 1/16" travel, but that requires accelerating and decelerating time of 0.00521 seconds. 1 HP is 550 foot-pounds per second, so to move 500 lbs 1/16" in 0.00521 seconds means that you need about 1 HP (0.91 HP). 1/4 turn of a ballscrew means that the angular velocity of a motor needs to reach 2880 RPM in 5 milliseconds -- otherwise known as impractical.

External linear measurement with hydraulics may be the only feasible way to do it. Look up LVDT as a linear feedback device. Others are inductosyn, linear potentiometer, etc.

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Re: Linear Positioning and Feedback

04/14/2009 2:42 PM

Thanks Bill, The load is horizontal, moving on linear bearings. I do prefer using a basic hydraulic cylinder to move the load, I just want to find a way around the cost of a std LVDT setup. You can buy a 12" digital vernier caliper (china) for $15 that has a resolution of .0005". If I could find something "off the shelf" like that which could take an input for target position and output to "forward" or "reverse" relays.

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Re: Linear Positioning and Feedback

04/15/2009 3:11 AM

Some of those Chinese counters have a BCD output this could probably be fed into a stand alone counter with pre settable totalizer points also a good counter would have scalable settings for a given input so you could adjust your distances. some of these controllers are quite sophisticated. The out put signal could shutdown your hydraulic feed and with some hysteresis settings it might work. You might have to use two valves one a larger flow than the other and a very small flow for the final position.

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04/20/2009 10:21 AM

Thank you Garth, we have been using two parallel valves each with independent flow controls to accurately find the target position and it has been acheiving .006"-.0100" results (which is better than needed).

Where would I source the equipment you described?

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Re: Linear Positioning and Feedback

04/19/2009 1:41 PM

Before a suggestion a question:

in any given position will be the mass under a load trying to chnage achieved position?

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Re: Linear Positioning and Feedback

04/20/2009 10:25 AM

NN, once the load is positioned and the closed-center valves are centered, the load remains fixed. The position is held for up to 20 seconds before moving to the next so then any internal leakage in the cylinder or valve is of no concern.

I'm very happy with the hydraulic system we're using...I just want to simplify the controls.

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