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Arctic Sea Ice Melting Away

04/27/2009 10:46 AM

The latest data from NASA and the University of Colorado at Boulder's National Snow and Ice Data Center show the continuation of a decade-long trend of shrinking sea ice extent in the Arctic, including new evidence for thinning ice as well.

The researchers, who have been tracking Arctic sea ice cover with satellites since 1979, found that the winter of 2008-09 was the fifth lowest maximum ice extent on record. The six lowest maximum events in the satellite record have all occurred in the past six years, according to CU-Boulder researcher Walt Meier of NSIDC.

The new measurements by CU-Boulder's NSIDC show the maximum sea ice extent for 2008-09 reached on Feb. 28 was 5.85 million square miles, which is 278,000 square miles below the average extent for 1979 to 2000, an area slightly larger than the state of Texas, said Meier.

In addition, a team of CU-Boulder researchers led by Research Associate Charles Fowler of the Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research, or CCAR, has found that younger, thinner ice has replaced older, thicker ice as the dominant type over the past five years, making it more prone to summer melt.

"Ice extent is an important measure of the health of the Arctic, but it only gives us a two dimensional view of the ice cover," said Meier. "Thickness is important, especially in the winter, because it is the best overall indicator of the health of the ice cover. As the ice cover in the Arctic grows thinner, it becomes more vulnerable to summer melt."

Until recent years, measurements have shown most Arctic ice has survived at least one summer and often several, said Meier. But the balance has now flipped, and seasonal ice -- which melts and re-freezes every year -- now comprises about 70 percent of Arctic sea ice in winter, up from 40 to 50 percent in the 1980s and 1990s, he said. Thicker ice that has survived two or more years now comprises just 10 percent of ice cover, down from 30 to 40 percent in years past.

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04/27/2009 10:49 AM

Here's the same story from another perspective.

British explorers walking to to the North Pole on a mission to gauge how fast Arctic ice sheets are melting say they are surprised by how little permanent ice they have found so far.

The three adventurers set off in early March on a 620-mile (1,000 km) trek from Canada's Arctic to the North Pole. The team was set down in an area where scientists had been sure there would be permanent multiyear ice.

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04/27/2009 12:03 PM

Informative. As always, thanks Roger!

And also as always, I hope you're braced for the backlash that will probably accompany those posts.

I'm afraid all there is to do now is wait until water starts lapping at the tootsies of the Statue of Liberty. Then maybe we can at least move on past the "it's not happening!" stage.

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04/27/2009 1:43 PM

Here you go to stand on.

Fossil studies of the Antarctic Continent show large forests grew on it. So the Earth is under going Climate Change. Thats why they call it change and it is always changing. This change lead to some of the diversity in the plants and animals that exist today. They couldn't control the climate any better than we can. Best we can do as they did is learn to live with it and make a change in ourselves.

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04/27/2009 1:55 PM

If I took that soapbox, what would you stand on?

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04/27/2009 3:01 PM

Agreed that the Earth's climate is always in a state of change. And along the way the little beasties that reside upon her surface have either hung on as-is, adapted in a new form or died out.

BUT...one of the most urgent questions now is if the changes coming too fast for a good diverse population of beasties to hang on. Do we risk exceeding the maximum limit to the number of links in the food chain that can be broken?

It's not just a question of enjoying slightly warmer summers with a mint julep and moving all the seaside resorts 5 miles inland. Climate is an annoyingly complex thing. True, we don't understand it completely. But that seems like the best argument possible for not poking it with a stick more than we absolutely have to.

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04/28/2009 6:47 AM

A friend of mine visited the Arctic last year and posted this report:

Amazing striped icebergs

Icebergs in the Antarctic area sometimes have stripes, formed by
layers of snow that react to different conditions.

Blue stripes are often created when a crevice in the ice sheet
fills up with meltwater and freezes so quickly that no bubbles form.

When an iceberg falls into the sea, a layer of salty seawater can
freeze to the underside. If this is rich in algae, it can form a
green stripe.

Brown, black and yellow lines are caused by sediment, picked up
when the ice sheet grinds downhill towards the sea.

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04/28/2009 9:37 AM

You Wrote: "A friend of mine visited the Arctic last year and posted this report:"

Not cool Bricktop, you are telling stories now, what you wrote was verbatim from a chain email, not some personal friend as you claim. The link below discusses the chain email below.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/striped-icebergs.shtml

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04/28/2009 9:46 AM

Well now I am embarrassed. They where sent to me as if they where first hand. Sorry, in the future I'll dig a little deeper. Call me gullible.

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04/28/2009 10:13 AM

Forget about it, everyone has done that before.

The pictures really are something though. One thing that has always fascinated me about the Antarctic is just how thick the ice sheet is. Here's an image of Antarctica if you stripped away the ice but left sea levels where they are now:

The ice sheet is so thick that only the tops of the mountains stick out:

Really amazing if you think about it.

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04/28/2009 6:51 AM

Antarctica Frozen Wave Pics Below - Nature is amazing! The water froze the instant the wave broke through the ice. That's what it is like in Antarctica where it is the coldest weather in decades. Water freezes the instant it comes in contact with the air. The temperature of the water is already some degrees below freezing.

Just look at how the wave froze in mid-air!

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04/28/2009 9:32 AM

That's interesting stuff! Of course the wave isn't freezing in mid-air (that's quite impossible). These are actually uplifted glaciers (the stripes are formed from ice forming after thousands of years of pressure). Sort of the ice equivalent of when you see sedementary rock jutting out of a mountain side.

Here's a link to Snopes where they explain your misconception:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/antarcticwave.asp

Great Pictures though.

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04/28/2009 9:42 AM

Those quotes aren't mine, they are from her original post. She was the one that was there, so I'm not questioning her comments. But of course you are right, waves don't freeze in mid-air.

I posted the photo's because I didn't expect such beauty from the Arctic.

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04/28/2009 10:19 AM

They are remarkable pictures.

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04/28/2009 9:38 AM

These are cool pictures though, even if they have nothing to do with "freezing waves".

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04/28/2009 12:12 PM

Nice try, but those pictures are obviously fakes. I don't know what your sad little agenda is, but it won't fly here at CR4. Do you really think the experienced engineers who frequent this forum wouldn't examine them in detail??? The evidence is clear!

There's not a single Wal-Mart, McDonalds or Starbucks in any of 'em - not even off in the distance. Impossible!

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