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RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/28/2009 7:49 AM

if RTD (pt 100) gives some resistance,then as per resistance its temp.indicator not show the correct temp.it indicate 8 to 10 C lower then as per RTD resistance.

we calibrate the Temp indicator it was perfectly ok.its power supply is 230 VAC.

RTD was also ok, three wire

Cable was also ok so what is the reason for this type of error.can you guide me !!!!

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Re: Temp indicator

04/28/2009 8:05 AM

Guvnor - are the lead resistances correct?<Splutter>

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04/28/2009 8:08 AM

yes,

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04/28/2009 8:10 AM

And does it correspond with the standard PT100 RTD temperature/resistance table? <Cough, wheeze>

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04/28/2009 8:32 AM

If it doesn't, then it's fu broken and you need to change it. <Cough>

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Re: Temp indicator

04/28/2009 9:49 AM

Hi Pete,

It doesn't sound logical. If:

  • the temperature indicator is calibrated properly
  • the RTD checks out as okay and
  • the wires are all the same resistance

it should work okay. If it doesn't, one or more of the above is incorrect.

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/28/2009 2:36 PM

The readout and the probe should be aligned at a known value. Usually ice point. This will align the probe to the readout and if all else is linear and cal'd correctly should correct for any error in the system.

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/29/2009 12:13 AM

Some indicators can have an offset which can cause some brain strain.

What is the resistance value for your RTD and what is the indication of your meter at the same conditions.

Are you able to put a known value resistor to the indicator input and read the value?

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/29/2009 12:55 AM

I did see a similar instance once. I removed the RTD wire at the TB in the JB between RTD and Panel and cleaned the TB, cleaned the lead of the wires and put it back and the 10 dc difference was gone.

You could try though

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/29/2009 1:42 AM

Hi all,

Firstly - Temperature measurement with RTD or Thermocouple is definately not linear.

Now to the problem.

Measurement circuits that accept three-wire inputs minimize the effects of lead wire resistance as long as the outer legs are equal. However factors such as terminal corrosion and loose connections can still create sinificant differences between the lead resistances seen by the measurement circuit, because only one ohm of difference between the legs results in an error of 4.7 deg F (2,6 deg C).

So this should give you your starting point - lead wire lengths, loose connections, corroded terminals. I suspect it would be one or more of the above mentioned if your element is 100% as well as the transmitter.

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04/29/2009 9:27 AM

When calibrating , do you have the RD hooked up to the final display or are you just reading resistance with a multimeter in the shop and comparing to the RTD resistance/temperature chart.

RTDs work by having a constant current source pass through the RTD.

Measure the loop current on this defective circuit and compare to a known good circuit.

Maybe you cc source is a bit low

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/29/2009 10:26 AM

Some indicators use a 24 V DC supply. If this voltage is incorrect then you may face such problems

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/29/2009 3:43 PM

Is the rtd in a well or in direct contact with the process?If in a well, do you use a thermal compound between the rtd and the well bore?If in a well, is the external portion of the well clean and free of debri?Are connections tight and clean?(both ends).There are 2 curves for RTD's. Both are 100 ohm at 32 degrees, but the response is different. Are you sure you have the right curve?

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/29/2009 4:23 PM

hi harsh check with rtd simulator from rtd point to controller ie ; remove 3 wire from the rtd and in place of rtd connect simulator or decade box and feed the resistance as per the resistance chart if the error persist check the lead contacts in junction box or any unbalance lead resistance . www.telcoenvirotrols.com/ACI_100_ohm_resistance_chart.pdf hope u will resolve it

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/30/2009 3:24 PM

hi dear ,

set the tempture controller off set parameter ,then see what happened.

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

04/30/2009 3:39 PM

how much to set the offset 8deg or 10 deg

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Re: RTDs and Incorrect Temperatures

05/07/2009 1:34 PM

HI DEAR ,

you send me temperature controller type , model no , company name , then i tell you how you set off set parameter.

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