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Motorcycle Repairs and Oil Seals

04/29/2009 6:18 AM

Hi,

I've dismantled the rear brake caliper on my motorbike. In cleaning the oil seal gallery I've scored the surface. Just wondering if there is a product I can use to fill the cavity, or how can i tell if it is severe enough to warrant a repair or replacement?

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Re: How to tell if a score in a brake caliper housing will leak

04/29/2009 7:05 AM

How deeply is it scored? I assume you are talking about the aluminum case.

If it is a scratch, then it is probably okay. Anything deeper may be an issue that needs replacement, but generally, those castings are pretty thick.

You can't fix a casting by filling a groove. Internal hydraulic pressure will simply split the caliper wide open and you will have a catastrophic brake failure (i.e., brown trousers time).

Have the caliper looked at by a dealer's service company and let them tell you what to do. Your life rides on your brakes. Don't guess when it comes to safety equipment and don't hit my car.

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Re: How to tell if a score in a brake caliper housing will leak

04/29/2009 7:12 AM

I think that I may have misunderstood where the score is. It sounds like the seal's mating surface is where the damage is.

There are varius sealing comounds made for this. Try an automotive shop. A silicon seal might work, but there are many different types, so ask at the store or even your local service shop what they recommend.

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Re: How to tell if a score in a brake caliper housing will leak

04/29/2009 8:15 AM

Hi.

What were you using to clean the gallery and are you able to feel the score with your finger? If you can feel it, fluid will pass through.

In most instances you will get fluid passing via the gouge and as you apply the brake pedal you will have minimal response in braking. Eventuyally fluid seepage will end up on your disc and other areas.

Honing the gallery and a resized seal would be the only fix depending on the severity of the score. This would provide resistance for the fluid to stay behind the seal allowing the caliper piston to initate the brake pad and stop you.

If you are not adept at mechanics get a qualified mc mechanic to do it. Your brakes are your life.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Motorcycle Repairs and Oil Seals

04/30/2009 12:42 AM

You've already looked close at the caliper. If your gut feeling is that you've truly fragged it... you have...replace it. Unless it's a brand new bike you should be able to find a good cheap replacement from a wrecker. Then again..if it's brand new..what're you doing in the brakes?

If it's really not all that bad then get some VERY fine emery cloth...like 800... get it folded down carefully to fit in the seal groove...and gently run around it. Make at least 1/2 sweeps before and after the score, scratch, or gouge. Smooth it out but be mindful not to round off the rest of the seal channel wall.

Bear in mind that most DOT3 and DOT4 brake fluid includes some additive that acts as a seal swell and this will work in your favor.

Finish the brake, bleed it properly and put the pressure to it. Hard pressure and hold it. Do this for quite a few cycles. If it doesn't weep or have any drop in pressure then take the bike out and get the brake plenty hot simply by dragging it for at least a couple miles. You want it hot but not red hot. Stop and give the brake hard pressure on for 25sec. off 10 on 25 several cycles. If it's ok then let it cool off completely, and repeat it a few times. Let the caliper go through several full hot full cold cycles checking the holding power. If you see no loss of pressure or fluid weep doing this over a couple of days you should be good to go.

Then ... look on the bright side ... you're back brake is only good for 27 to 30% of your braking anyway... and that's when you're riding hard.

However, do not err on the side of your wallet. If your caliper is damaged and fades when it shouldn't, or drops pressure... replace it. Much cheaper than skin grafts.

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04/30/2009 11:35 AM

GA sir.

As a side note. Did you ever try to smooth out a small cylinder? Too small for the hone you have.

I have used a cotter pin with success. Choose the grade of sand paper or cloth for the job. Cut 2 strips to the same hight as the cylinder, and long enough to be too wide for the diameter of the cylinder. Put the 2 strips back to back, and open the cotter pin up to allow the strips to fit in between. Keep the ends even, squeeze the cotter pin back closed and insert into a variable speed drill.

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04/30/2009 1:24 PM

I actually have done that trick in a pinch, it works pretty good.

In my shop here I keep a cabinet packed full of stuff just like that ... but from McMaster-Carr.

What I tend to do on the real small stuff is to use Dremel mini tools.

I didn't include it in my original response to Techracer but when I go through the brakes on my bike every couple of years I use a little piece of the purple Scotchbite scrub pad. I just wet a tiny piece of pad in brake fluid and lightly run around the inside of the bore then flush it. Been doing it for many years.

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04/30/2009 10:21 PM

The drains here are not that good. Flushing calipers seems to clog them.

I do like Scotch Bright better also.

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