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Urgent Transfer Function Problem

05/01/2009 9:51 AM

I NEED Solve this ploplem very important pleas

i want RC circuit second order consists of 3 series Resistance & 2 parallel capacitors

i need the value of the Resistances & capacitors which make the RC circuit unstable

using transfer function and put the 2 imagen poles at the graph

after this i will the solve the unstable system to stable with PID Controler

thank you

my E_ M. ameen124@hotmail.com

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05/01/2009 6:36 PM

Not sure we understand your question. Please clarify.

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05/01/2009 7:19 PM

It would be easier if you just posted your homework question verbatim - then we could all chorus "we don't do homework!", but at least we'd know what you were talking about, and someone kind may give you a push in the right direction.

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05/02/2009 5:01 AM

No chance with such bad infos.....

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05/02/2009 10:26 AM

The circuit described will not be unstable. You need to have an active device for that. Also, the arrangement of the resistors and capacitors would yield a two pole low pass filter. To get something that has imaginary poles you need something like a Wein bridge and to get it to be unstable you need an op amp which wasn't specified. From the original post I assume the resistors and capacitors are arranged as follows. Vin R1 Node 1; Node 1 C1 Common; Node 1 R2 Node 2; Node 2 C2 Common; Node 2 R3 Vout; Now it is clear how I assume the resistors and capacitors are connected, ameen124 should correct my assumption using a similar format or write out the transfer function which is even better. Once we know know the transfer system of the circuit it is easy to calculate exactly the P, I and D gains that will place the closed loop poles where ever you want. The lack of formatting capability is going to make posting on this forum annoying.

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05/04/2009 11:04 AM

You get a GA for both deconstructing the gobbledygook way the question was phrased and for making a clear concise answer that the apparent two pole low pass filter must be stable. The Spice like verbal circuit description technique will give us a better idea what his circuit actually contains. But this is a time that a picture is worth a thousand words. Many people here have easily posted pencil on paper scanned images here before. The one thing omitted from your answer though is that for instability to happen, a pole must reside in the right hand plane, but it need not be imaginary.

You simultaneously get a "Tsk Tsk" finger wag from me for solving this blatant homework problem.

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Re: Urgent Transfer Function Problem

05/02/2009 7:48 PM

i need the value of the Resistances & capacitors which make the RC circuit unstable

Choose values for your op-amp feedback circuit that will cause positive feedback and an unstable circuit. Additionally look up second-order circuit layouts on the internet for more information.

I think that answers your question.

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