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We are not there yet

05/06/2009 1:59 PM

There has been a lot of speculation and press lately regarding hybrid vehicles. We are not there yet. What's more, unless there is a scientific breakthrough that can produce a battery economically and long lasting, we will not see electric powered vehicles for a long time, if at all. I have seen all the claims of electric and hybrid vehicles, but none have given us the straight scoop. They claim so many mpg and/or so many miles, but no one says at what speed. Sure we can go 250 miles on a charge, but at what speed? 70mph? I don't think so. It's more like 20mph or less. They also fail to tell us what it will cost to replace a battery pack and how long it will last. I don't think anyone will be interested in buying a hybrid/electric if they know it will cost them $5000 in 3 years to replace the battery pack. Cars will have to undergo a major re-engineering in weight to compensate for battery weight. Although the general public won't see an affordable hybrid or electric in the near future, it may come on the stage in the form of vehicles that don't operate at highway speeds. Possible vehicles could be post office delivery vehicles. We see electric golf carts and in-plant vehicles, but it looks like that is where they will stay. I'm having trouble signing in.

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Re: We are not there yet

05/06/2009 4:33 PM

I hate to break the news to you, but MPG ratings are actually taken by operating the car at controlled speeds. From a government website explaining it:

"On the dynamometer, a professional driver runs the vehicle through a standardized driving routine, or schedule, which simulates "typical" trips in the city or on the highway.

Each schedule specifies the speed the vehicle must travel during each second in the test."

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

Put that in your straight scoop.

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Re: We are not there yet

05/06/2009 5:01 PM

Different guest. That's not at all what the OP said. He said that the pure electric range was likely given at speeds that are less than those likely to be used or desired. I believe that is a true statement. He didn't mention mpg in regards to range.

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Re: We are not there yet

05/06/2009 10:15 PM

I love this guest thing, nobody knows who is replying to what and why. (Not the same guest as any other guest).

I have a simple statement (as a guest); It is not possible to make a hybrid that will get more miles to the gallon (or sacred cubits to the league) when electricity is produced, stored and transmitted as it is in most countries today. You are better off making fuel efficient small light cars and using conventional fuels.

Claims for mileage and fuel efficiency must be based on "well to wheel" fuel consumption per mile.

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Re: We are not there yet

05/06/2009 10:54 PM

That's a GA from guest #2. However, in a country like France, where something like 80% of the electricity is generated by nuclear power, electric energy is close to pollution free - if you disregard all those facilities and used fuel that will have to be disposed of some day.

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05/07/2009 12:03 PM

I looked at your link and did not find any reference to SPEED. Hwy speed doesn't tell me anything. In today's driving habits, the only important factor is: not mpg, but how long will it take to get me from point A to point B. My highway speed is between 70 and 80 mph on a 70mph interstate. I need to know how far I can drive a battery powered vehicle at my rate of speed before the car stops. If a company could make the claim of 300 miles at 70mph, I would buy that car in a heartbeat. A hybrid could easily do it, but at a very low mpg number. So, I repeat, "we are not there yet". Cost per mile and overall initial cost are other important factors.

If I were setting down a set of specifications for a "green" car, they would look like this.

Four door, 5 passenger, 300 mile range at 70 mph, battery powered; recharge time 8 hours max; quick charge, 1 hour (20 miles at reduced speed); battery replacement cost: < $2000; battery life, 3 years minimum; warranty, 5 years; initial cost, $ <30000.

I think this would be a reasonable specification although it would be impossible for now and in the foreseeable future. Hybrid technology is readily available now, but basically it still depends on fossil fuel for any kind of travel distance.

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Re: We are not there yet

05/07/2009 12:18 PM

BTW, I did check out the "schedule", but they refer to hybrids only.

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