Arthritis Remedies

don't know either of those those speech rec programs:..

i might suggest acupuncture/ acupressure for the management .. my mother has seen improvement in hers...in the us most states have recognized acupuncture on a par with " your family health provider " ..insureance code : a - 1 ...accupressure is deemed to be the same as a massage...physical therapy prescribed by your doctor ?..if so, my plan allows 20 visit per yr.. i'd bet your plan is close to that...

Thanx.

Been there, done that.

No go.

Ken Leigh

see thread

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/37162#newcomments

Thanx loads.

I did not know this question had been asked before.

Maybe I should do more reading and less asking...

Naw, there's no fun in that!

Seriously, I have considered the Dragon system and like some of the features built into the $800 program that would help the "handicapped," i.e., those of us who don't read first. No one ever said lawyers like me had any brains!

Ken Leigh

Since posting that thread I have been learning the Windows Speech to text; it's available in both XP Home and Vista Home Premium. Only a few minor arguments with the computer so far.

I had thought would be easy right off the bat but I need think more and... can't get no respect.

Recommend you try this free program first, from the start menu enter 'windows speech to text' in XP run or the start search pane in Vista.

Yes the MS program has its quirks but I use Intel because with Mac I feel I should be wearing gloves

To bwire,

OK, I did that.

Guess what?

Windows came up with an empty file.

Now what?

Is my XP Pro lacking?

Or am I screwing the pup again?

Ken Leigh

Your edition of windows requires an additional downloaded file. The information of which is detailed in a previous thread of the subject.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/37162

Gentlemen, Gentlemen,

I am NOT seeking a cure for the arthritis. There is none. I have had it since I was a child, almost eight decades ago. It was in remission until it reappeared around age sixty when it hit me big time.

I have been to some of the most prominent clinics that specialize in arthritis treatment, and so far, nothing they have tried works to slow its progression and no one has devised a cure, no matter the hype on teevee.

That's all bunkum!

What I do need is information on Dragon Naturally Speaking and MacSpeak from those who have used the programs and can advise me which way to go.

If have to give up XP Pro for a new Intel Mac to use MacSpeak over Dragon for Windows, sobeit!

I just need information to make an intelligent(?) choice, or forget it all together and hire that cute little blonde that will send my wife into orbit!

Thank all of you for the suggestions though, at least my question is being read!

That's more than you can say for some of these "help" sites!

Well, enough ho hum, on with the war!

Ken Leigh

i just typed speech recognition into the search bar of my windows vista ultimate...the wizard popped right up...

I don't use vista. too many bugs for me.

Ken Leigh

Several years ago I wrote reviews for computer magazines. All reviewers were sternly warned not to get in contact with the producers of the products we reviewed. Basically, we were warned we'd be wined-and-dined to get a good review...

While I probably lost a lot of chances for getting laid, it was the ethics that we held ourselves to.

On every one's life a little rain must fall...splish-splash

I've have and have used Dragon Naturally Speaking, though not extensively. It seemed to do pretty well, not perfect but it exceeded my expectations. You do need a good fast machine with plenty of ram on which to run it (not a 286!). I think with extended use it probably gets more accurate and you also get better at using it in a way that improves accuracy.

To clarify, I use my 286 for windows 3.0 and 3.1 only.

It seems that most new stuff won't work on it!

Ah, me, progress, and we all know what the opposite of progress is, don't we?

Ken Leigh

https://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Services/PDA/WindowsBrowsers.shtml

Forget the software, rub WD-40 into the arthritic areas - you'll be amazed. I had arthritis so bad in my neck that my thumb, index, and middle finger went numb because the nerve was getting pinched, and both of my feet ached all day and night. After a few days the pain was gone, and hasn't returned for several months. Honestly - it gave me back my life. You have to try it.

How many days ago was this treatment applied? And did you apply cortisone before the WD-40? What else was on the application area?

no cortizone, nothing taken or applied prior to the WD-40. sprayed it on, rubbed it in for a couple minutes - next day had periods with little or no pain. that night same thing, spray, rub in for a couple minutes.next day only had pain a few times, that night spray, rub in, haven't had any pain since - mid NOVEMBER!

Cool!

Hi,

similar to post 8: there are a few not well known and not approved by FDA "miracle substances" that may do a complete healing within days (may be weeks).

I have one of these - I am testing the stuff - for arthritis (my wife, was bad in the knees - inflammation and big swelling gone within days) and for sun-keratosis on my forehead.

That had been removed and treated twice by an MD with excision and two times porphyrine-cream plus IR-radiation 6 hours later. This is the established treatment today but many small lesions survived the treatment. As the major part had developed into one of the skin cancers (spinaliom: slow and not really dangerous if treated in time) I was searching for alternative treatments.

Today I am not allowed to talk about details. But if the WD40 does not work, then there may be a way to test.

I am working on collecting venture capital to do documented tests. This is really difficult now - both sides: not much capital floating around and cost to run an official test is overwhelming.

Some docs are willing to use non-proven medications as "last chance after everything else failed".

Important: try to investigate into the origins of your arthritis: I had arthritis in 11 different locations, 9 in hands, 1 knee, 1 toe, (for more than 6 years, 1996 to 2002), then after removal of some teeth (no real indication that these were the culprits) healing within hours, longest and worst took 3 weeks.

In 2008 the first faint signs of arthritis came back. This time I addressed directly the teeth-issue. But my dentist refused to do anything except x-raying and CT, a specialist in oral surgery then told me about dental pockets with ample bacteria to be killed. He tried and after an initial success there was no final success.

So I resumed my DIY-medicine: very careful cleaning after any piece of edible stuff. Then brushing with tooth-paste containing tin-fluoride and amine-fluoride, not flushing after this treatment. Next treatment after one to some hours with the new miracle-substance.

Theory and proof how it works and why it works is clear and proven - so we are optimistic.

My theory about arthritis is: there are unwanted and damaging bacteria in our body that hide against the attacks of our immune system wherever thy can: in the teeth (internal there are a lot of canals that cannot be scraped at nerve removal and that are wide enough to be colonised by bacteria), in the heart, in stomach, intestine, gall-bladder and duct....

These bacteria undergo their own evolution: most are killed by the immune system, the survivors are those that build the cell walls from fragments of decayed cells that are circulating in the blood to be removed. Best fit to be used is cartilage from our joints: any of these a little bit damaged needs repair and the fragments may be gripped by the hostile bacteria.

Proof to this came from 2 damaged joints, one having been too cold for some time the other injured from falling down, these did not heal for more than 3 years but regained perfect condition a short time after removal of related bad teeth.

If the the partly protected bacteria manage to invade the body our immune system is recognising these bad guys and hitting on those and at the same time hitting on any similar or identical structure: some of the joints that are without bacteria.

So a search for a place where the beasts hide may be successful, a trial with antibiotics (a combination of two is suggested) may prove that there is a bacterial origin - if symptoms slow down for a while - or may bring permanent healing (not too likely).

This "miracle substance" seems to work against many different illnesses: bacterial infections to cancer. Control of iron-metabolism is the common factor.

Try the best - resign later.

Have success and please report.

RHABE

Hi RHABE , One of friends suggested " Cinnmmon & Honey " for this problem. Cinnamon powder mixed well in Honey & taken one tea spoon daily in the morning is expected to give good relief. My wife tried & reported good results. For further info. you may visit the web site : www.cinnamonandhoney.com Good Luck. Rangasamy

Have you in this quest stumbled across parallels of enzyme behavior?

Much advance of this topic has been made in sporting animal research without FDA restrictions of course. High dosage vitamin "C" combined to calcium or 'ester C' has produced dramatic results worthy of excitement.

Greetings.

When I was 49 I got arthritis in it seemed every joint within less than 1 months time.

Besides hurting and restricting my activities during the day I wasn't getting any real sleep at night. I would take 3 aspirin and go to sleep about 30 to 45 minutes later. Within usually 1 and 1/2 hours one of those little joints had awakened me and the rest of them made me wide awake. This went on for almost 2 weeks.

The doctors didn't have a solution although they pricked my back 47 times and watched to see if the stuff they smeared in each little prick would fester and tell them what I was allergic to. Only two very minor slight allergies came out of all that.

My wife and I usually went out to lunch with my hunting partner and his wife after church but we had been gone and hadn't seen then for several weeks.

His wife, a nutritionalist, looked at me and said "you know just because you retired it doesn't mean you have to burn the candle at both ends." referring to my very tired look.

I explained the situation and she very flippently said "well 90 to 95% of all arthritis is actually a food allergy. I very sceptically said "why didn't my doctor tell me that?"

Well she said doctors usually rely on their local pharmistist or pharmasutical salesperson. Hey that made sense.

She used kinesiology (hold up left arm and see how strong your arm is then hold left arm up and put substance next to heart while determining how strong or weak your left arm is it is when substance is applied on chest next to heart) to determine it was corn. CORN? I had never heard of this kinesiology thing before and was quite skeptical.

(She later was able to figure out what was wrong with a double foundation quarter horse mare that couldn't be bred. No the mare did not have to do the left hand thing, his wife used her husband to put his hand on the horse and tested him. The owner was estatic and since she and her husband were at his house for lunch it was a free visit. The mare was bred and she had fine foul worth a bundle. Yea this kinesiolgy works on horses too).

Sure enough. Corn is in everything and I had been having 3 or 4 ears of fresh corn for lunch and dinner for guess, yup about 2 to 3 weeks.

There is corn, creamed corn, corn syrup, corn starch, corn meal, corn tacos, etc. in a whole lot of food it must be cheap you know the love of money is the root of all evil. O no not in my food to.

I quit eating corn ( hot buttered corn on the cob) and within 2 days I could sleep with just 3 aspirin before going to bed.

2 weeks later no aspirin and sleeping just fine.

Got book "Eat right for your type" by Dr. Peter D 'Adamo. If I remember right it was first his dad and then him that refined it but we are effected by what we eat by our blood type. A, AB, B, and O.

I am an O and the things for me to avoid are corn, oat, wheat, rye, and egad not Coffee. Its the acid in the coffee not the caffine as some had thought.

He thinks he is evolutional but he isn't. He rates it for Orientials (Shem), Africans (Ham), and Caucasion (Japheth) the three sons of Noah in the Bible. There are only really 3 races or combinations here on the globe. I knew a guy in the army from India and he was as black as coal not brown and he said even though he looked like a eurpeon/oriental cross his family on both side were black for over 10 generations. I knew a guy from the Phillipines that looked oriental but was as black as coal and he was proably from the isle of Negros in the Phillipines.

The author then rates food for each type as 1. Highly beneficial, 2. Neutral, and 3. To Avoid. I have basically quit eating anything in the To Avoid list and do well.

I am 63 now and I don't have any arthritis. I hope this is enough to entice you to buy the book (I do not have any financial in this, I just know that this guy is right on for me).

Have a great day.

Oly

I too have a progressive form of arthritis... I have a Mac and have been using the built-in voice recognition software for over five years (it has been available on the Mac since the late 80's, early 90's). For me it works well getting most of what I tell it... unless I have a cold or something, also when my dog barks while dictating it doesn't quite know what to do. I have also built several custom input devices for my system to make doing things easier.

To: CatzPaw 164

News to me, friend!

Where do I find it?

I just went through my OS-X and there is nothing there!

Am I missing something?

Am very interested in your custom devices as I have no talent along those lines whatsoever! Ratz!

Ken Leigh

Ici, on ne parle pas le Francais!

Go to System Preferences and click on Speech and Speech Recognition. I recently started using an external microphone with noise suppression and it works better than the internal microphone. Your Mac can even tell you a joke if you ask it - however the jokes are pretty lame.

I design custom mechanical and electrical devices/appliances for others who are physically handicapped - I'm trying to turn this hobby into a business. To code for the Mac you can get all the SDK's needed for control from Apple's website. Most of what I have done so far are custom input devices to replace the standard mouse and custom keyboards. If you need something special we can discuss private - my email is: sherri@catzpaw.com

I to have been looking into voice activated controls for a quadriplegic friend. He is totally paralyzed from the neck down and the only way he can interface with any type of control is his mouth, eye movement, voice and limited head movement. I tend to think that speech recognition may be the best approach. I have done some web searching and have found a few companies that are working in this direction.

As for Dragon Naturally Speaking, I too am interested in how well it can perform and what can be done with it.

Hello gringogreg,

If you will send your e-mail addy to Erin-Go-Braugh33@twcny.rr.com I will be glad to forward all info I receive. I am not at the stage of total paralysis, but I do have paralysis problems and I emphasize with your friend.

Ken Leigh

Hi,

I have installed both Dragon Dictate and the IBM voice recognition applications and they both require at least 1 hour each to train/learn to recognize the voice of the user. The problems encoutered we're with background noise, causing errors. Also If you get a cold and your voice changes, the error rate may rise. You also have to speak in clear seperated words. Both applications have problems with contractions. It takes getting used to but not too bad considering. I set it up for a quadraplegic and a Doctor who had an artificial arm. Both are doing well. I also setup Adobe reader, which is good for reading back digital media and e-books.

Best to have a fast Processor, lots of RAM and a decent sound card , microphone and speakers.

Good luck

To: Guest

Thank you for your input. I have a 2.6G processor with 2G RAM, the sound card that came with the thing when it was new some four years ago, and a newly acquired 500G hard drive, so I should be good to go, just as soon as I decide whether the expense and time are worth the end result.

Thanx again.

Ken Leigh

Dear Friend, Pl give me your mail ID and shall forward you a good book on natural teatment for your problem. kvsubramanyam@hbl.in

Hi Ken,

Check out this truth: "the one that knows 'what' will always be the slave of the one that knows 'why' ",

Now my point is...the 'what' is "progressive arthritis (P.A.) and all the problems associated with it, like typing", the one that doesn't know 'why' is Kennith Leigh.

The "why" for progressive arthritis is ALWAYS "unforgiveness". Go and check it out yourself. make friends with people who suffer from P.A. and you'll find the forgiveness topic is badly evaded. FORGIVE buddy, and experience victory over arthritis. Sounds hard, but you'll remember these words if you get to read them. FORGIVE.

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On your question, the following form my point of view: There are many steps to accomodate for "what's" demands, but you have to agree, the "WHY" about everything is far more exhilarating and rewarding to pursue! An Engineer of note. myyid_jj@yahoo.com

To: All you well wishers with your treatments and/or cures.

As I have stated previously, I am NOT looking for a cure, of which there is none, so please, please STOP trying to convert me!

I do not want nor need unsolicited advice about my health.

For almost eighty years I have managed quite well with two doctors, the father for more than fifty years and who's son now practices in his dad's place, and has for the past twenty two years since senior died and who's daughter just joined her father in practice. I trust their advice implicitly. NO OTHERS!!!!!!

Again, to reiterate and emphasize, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR MEDICAL ADVICE.

I merely need comments pro or con about voice recognition programs.

I will no longer read nor answer those who continue to inundate me with their unsolicited advice.

Thank you.

Ken Leigh

Hey sport pipe down or get off the arthritis thread

To: bwire

If you will read my typing closely, you will notice that I am NOT the one dwelling on the arthritis thread.

In my last e-mail to the group, I specifically stated, "NO MORE ARTHRITIS" advice.

OK? Enough already!

Ken Leigh

These guys are all a bunch of quacks!!!

If you really want to get rid of that arthritis, you should switch to a steady diet of kibble. Not only will it stop the arthritis, but it will make your coat shiny and give you a cold nose.

Not as reliable as typing, but faster if...

..that is, once you have lots of experience working with it. So your best bet is to go ahead and purchase (or purchase after practicing on your OS's Voice recognition) and spend lots of time learning how to make it work well for you. I would also consider adding note taking (note pad/tablet etc) hardware to take advantage of your built-in handwriting recognition facilities. Even though arthritis might impede typing, you will probably still have considerable hand use when it comes to jotting with pen or stylus. Additionally, having some alternative form of input will always be advantageous (even essential) when voice recognition is not cooperating fully.

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How to install and configure speech recognition in Windows XP This article describes how to install and configure speech recognition in Windows XP. A driver, which is known as a speech recognition engine, recognizes spoken words and converts them to text. You can use speech recognition in all Office programs and other programs for which it is enabled, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer.
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How To Use Speech Recognition in Windows XP

This article describes how to use speech recognition in Windows XP.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306901

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Speech Recognition with Windows XP

Personal computing in the past decade has exceeded our expectations in many ways.

But in a few specific ways, PC technology struggles to fulfill expectations set way back in the 1950s and 1960s.

One example is speech recognition. Forty years ago, scientists predicted the new millennium would see us all going home at night, tucking the kids in, putting the cat out, and speaking aloud to a PC: "Computer, turn out the lights and close the garage doors. Wake me at 7 with my favorite song. Make my coffee. And call my boss by 8 to remind him of our meeting.

"Goodnight computer."

"Goodnight sir."

Sorry. Windows XP can't make your computer do that. However, once your expectations are adjusted for present day reality, you might be impressed with how much you really can do by talking to your computer.

My dad in his early 80s uses Dragon. His complaint was the amount of reading that it took to learn his voice patterns. He was not very much into using the computer before and now uses it quite a bit. He just lives with the typos and mistakes without correcting them, it is still usable. He would agree it has worked for him.

Thank you for the information. I emphasize with your dad as I am fast approaching the eight decade mark myself.

I will also pass this on to gringogreg who has a disabled friend who needs something of the sort.

Thanx again.

Ken Leigh

I have used Dragon in the past, and as others have said, there is a considerable amount of learning the software has to go through. That being said, the Dragon folks just called a couple of weeks ago and tried to interest me in their new version (10?). From what they said, it doesn't need that learning curve, it is good "out of the box".

Since the need I had for it has disappeared, I declined so I can't vouch for it. But Of the 2 versions I did have, they were pretty good, and got better every time. I don't expect anything will work perfectly, but if it reduces the need for you to type (other than corrections), I would go for it.

BTW: I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis when I was 2. Hearing you state that it came back, just sent a nasty little shiver down my spine.

To: Kilowatt,

Why did you stop using Dragon?

I would be interested in knoiwing.

Wish Dragon would contact me!

As for your R.A., "non carborumdum bastardus!"

Ken Leigh

I originally bought it as an aid for my daughter's dyslexia. But the problems associated with the training phase of Dragon, were worse than the brain retraining of my daughter!

As for my RA: That is one of the reasons I live in the desert.

Arthritis seems to be the companion of just about all our CR-4 contributors, me included. So, I am also interested in Dragon Naturally. Thank you all for your inputs. A word of caution about one of the comments so far. Gadgetman recommended using WD-40 for arthritis pain. For some folks it does work. The reason is that one of the solvents in WD-40 is DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide). That's the same stuff you can get at a farm supply for use on stiff horse joints. The problem is DMSO may cause cancer in people. Perhaps this could be a topic for a future thread.

You'll have to work very hard to prove DMSO contains a carcinogen. DMSO has not been approved by the FDA as many cures of common ailments also have not. The gist being no testing has been done and the mere speculation of a problem has in the past deterred use of some formulas. However in light of the nefarious demeanor of the FDA credibility ill gained is shedding; light does shine in the darkness

You'll get all the answers you want in http://www.speechcomputing.com/tracker which is primarily devoted to DNS and ViaVoice.