Previous in Forum: Conversion   Next in Forum: asking for some information
Close
Close
Close
7 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2

Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

06/27/2009 9:33 AM

I am designing an evaporator coil, using Ammonia as a refrigerant, for chilling water to be used in system cooling. I need to estimate the length of 1" Seamless Pipe, Carbon Steel, able to deliver a cooling capacity of 2,800,000Kcal. I need to optimize on the materials.

Any help out there?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Brazil - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Hobbies - Automotive Performance - Hey there... interested in exchanging information about car performance? Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Porto Alegre - RS - Brazil 30deg01'39.73"S 51deg13'43.45"W
Posts: 831
Good Answers: 28
#1

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

06/27/2009 12:39 PM

Well, if you have the required heat transfer (but you did not mention in how much time would you deliver the 2,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cal ;-) I assume that you're building an ice bank or some sort of. If I am correct, most of your problem will reside in calculating the required tube lengh for convection heat transfer to the water, this is supposed to be a strain in the system (the inside of the tube is working in steady conditions, working fluid circulating in the system, with known velocity and temperature, so easy to put into the equations...). Check your books for heat and mass transfer - basics. I remember that the heat transfer by a straight tube under known conditions is a classic exercise that can be found in any one. At the end of the book its usual to have several tables with heat transfer coeficients for different medias. I'd find the worst condition for heat transfer to the water, assume it as a constraint in the system, and calculate all of the other stuff with the lenght found. Optimise the material? Only the lenght, once you stated that you must use 1" tube carbon steel. Good luck with your homework. Besides this forum usually does not help with it.

__________________
Humm... suspicious you are...
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#2

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

06/28/2009 4:52 PM

More information is needed even to start with this problem. 2,800,000 Kcal per hour, per day, or per other time period? What water temperature is required to furnish to the process, and how much much will the temperature rise before the water returns to the chiller? Is the chiller intended as an ice bank (water outside the pipes, ammonia inside); or as a nonfreezing application (in this case the water could be inside the pipes)? Is the water flow known?

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

06/29/2009 8:00 AM

Thanks for your response. 2,800,000 kcal per hour. Water temperature required is 4 degrees C. Water into chiller is 30 degrees C. The chiller is actually an ice bank, water outside, with ammonia inside. Water flow is 50,000 liters per hour. Pipe specified to be 1". Agitation of water by compressed air bubbling.

Regards

Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sweet home Alabama
Posts: 144
Good Answers: 7
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

06/30/2009 9:49 AM

I am not sure what an ice bank means. To get the area of tube needed one way is this approach.

As a starting point consider the tube temperature to be 0.0 degrees C. Much colder and you risk ice forming on the outside of the tubes in the water insulating the system. To get from 30 deg C to 4 Deg C use a log mean delta T. Also assume the interior of the tube is all boiling ammonia at the same pressure / temperature.

Ln m Delta T = (delta T1 - delta T2)/ Ln(delta T1 / delta T2)

Start with interior tube of 0.0 deg C= 273 K

Delta T1 = 303k-273k= 30K

Delta T2 = 276K-273K=4K

Plug in numbers!

You now have heat duty, and temp diff, you determine the heat transfer Coeff (from tube, turbulence, flow regime and your system size, with patterns, turbulence. Not enough details for me to be much help)

Calculate the area needed. a=h/(u*dT)

Is this homework?

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#5

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

04/19/2010 3:24 AM

I want to installed 40TR ammonia compressor which run in IBT having brine water or glycol to supply the water to plant 40000LPH at -20 deg. C and returned temp. at -2 deg. C. so how much quantity of cooling coil will be required

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

08/12/2024 9:39 AM

Eh? <...water...at -20deg C...> looks a bit like this, though:

<...40,000LPH...> is <tap, tap, tap press equals> 11kg/sec which is, er, <tap, tap, tap press equals> a heat load of 836W give or take. The equipment itself will be rated a bit higher than that.

Even so, it's small enough to plug into a domestic electrical socket.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#7

Re: Evaporator Coil design for an Ice Bank - Help in size up

08/12/2024 9:47 AM

For a closed loop <...chilling water...> circuit, the above wetted materials would appear satisfactory. One might want a bit of chemical dosing to stop scale and biofilm generation; there are a number of organisations in the market that can deal with it, though.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 7 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); bhrescobar (1); Paddler (1); PWSlack (2); samuelkamau (1); Tornado (1)

Previous in Forum: Conversion   Next in Forum: asking for some information

Advertisement