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1994 Ford F-350 Diesel - Transmission Problems

07/07/2009 12:22 AM

I have a 1994 F-350 4X4 7.3 IDI Diesel I have a little over 350,000 miles on it and have replaced and or rebuilt some 5 Transmissions to date no matter what we do to them as far as an up grade and after market products it doesen't seem to help get any better of a Trans then what we had before. From TransCommand to over sized oil trans coolers to drilling out the oil passage ways within the transmission it's self. We still burn them up at from 30,000 to 50,000 miles and it is not even hard miles we are talking, this truck has been babbied. I am not ready to drop some $60 grand or close to for another new truck. Is there any thing out their that I can do to stop this transmission burn up problem. I'll even go as far as putting in a manuel transmission in if need be. Thanks in addvance for all the help DM Pelletier

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Re: Ford E40D Auto Trans

07/07/2009 1:26 AM

I have a built up Ford 460 thats cammed and over bored and tops over 500FT/Lb of torque at less than 3000 RPM (way past your factory diesels torque numbers!) with the same E4OD as you and I have abused it to my fullest extent without problems. BUT, I have a PCS transmission controller and not the factory control unit.

My transmission shop owner buddy gave me a few horror stories about the factory computer control setups and why so many transmissions fail simply due to factory programming being apparently designed to make them prone fail at so many miles or hours!

The factory programing some times lets the line pressure drop after the clutch packs are engaged on some models or incorrectly reads the line pressures and drops them too low during normal driving. This can allow some undesirable clutch slip that greatly reduces the transmissions life. Plus the shift points are often not fast enough under loaded conditions as well. More slip, more heat, more wear equals short transmission life!

I would bet dollars to miles that your problem is in the computer control system and not the mechanical transmission parts them selves! Misguided electrons are killing your transmission! I would go with an after market controller. The PCS control system I have is fully shift point mappable in all gears and and has dual shift maps that can be selected between with just a simple flip of a switch. plus loads of control functions and options that your factory controller cant even begin to handle!

I have my program set up to lock the torque converter in each gear after the shifts. This gives my truck an 8 speed shift feel! Plus I set up an auxiliary input to make a simple potentiometer mounted on my dash give me a shift firmness bias from soft to rock solid towing shift rates.

I honestly think your suffering from factory control problems and should seriously consider dumping the factory control system. The Ford control boxes are all the same physically I believe and can be directly swapped depending upon what your truck was set up for. The only difference is the internal setup of the controller that relates to your particular vehicle. (Gas, diesel, manual or automatic) The physical box and wiring harness connectors are all the same.

I plan to switch my 1999 Ford F250 Super duty over to my 460 when its paid off. (much better power and fuel mileage reasons) I need to switch from the V10 to a carbureted V8 and aftermarket transmission control system. All of the research I have done points to simply taking out the control box for the V10 with automatic and sticking in a control box from a diesel with a manual transmission so the truck as a whole will still work normally with the different gas engine and independent transmission control system.

SO theres a good chance if you wanted to try using an independent controller for your transmission you may only need to swap the control box out in order to get the truck to think its a manual transmission without causing any problems when you disconnect the transmission control harness. I think that by putting in a used factory control computer from a manual transmission version of your truck would allow everything in the truck to function normally but yet give you the capacity to use a independent and dedicated transmission control system without computer errors or problems.

Just something to think about.

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Re: Ford E40D Auto Trans

07/08/2009 12:57 PM

I remember accidentally putting the wrong computer/controller

in a V6 Dodge.Parts man missed one number.

The computer was for a V8.

When I "Finally" got it into high gear,

I was doing 85 mph at around 7-8K rpm.

Awesome! the motor seemed to run effortlessly, I felt

that I could have pegged the speedometer easily,and still be

under 25,000rpm.

Quite a remember-able experience.

Joe in Texas

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Re: 1994 Ford F-350 Diesel - Transmission Problems

07/07/2009 11:30 PM

You needn't baby that 7.3 let it breathe.

Upgrade to a 6-speed Allison or follow

tcmtech advice.

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Re: 1994 Ford F-350 Diesel - Transmission Problems

07/08/2009 12:24 AM

When you disassemble the transmission which parts are worn out? A careful failure analysis and examination of the worn parts might suggest the cause. Have you talked with mechanics at truck transmission rebuild shops and asked them to identify the cause of the problem?

I suggest there might be several problems. 1) Has the transmission case been bent or warped in some way so the gears are not in perfect alignment? 2) Is that a trouble prone transmission? Ask the dealer and check on some truck websites to inquire whether the transmission was correctly sized for that engine. Diesels produce a lot of torque and I wonder whether Ford used an older transmission that was not designed for the torque that engine produces. 2) Use a very heavy duty transmission lube that contains a great deal of zinc and other anti-wear additives. Ask the technicians at the MOBIL and Chevron websites for a recommendation because those two companies have a major commitment to lubricants.

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Re: 1994 Ford F-350 Diesel - Transmission Problems

07/08/2009 1:14 AM

Automatic transmissions don't require lubricants, instead high detergent value fluids are spec'd

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Re: 1994 Ford F-350 Diesel - Transmission Problems

07/08/2009 1:07 AM

I have a nice 5 speed in my 98 F250 that I ruined my 7.3 D within the week of a new clutch and transmission overhaul... I either need the engine you have, or you need my entire truck so you can make yours work.

Let me know...

It's been waiting to do something with it for so long I am about ready move on.

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Re: 1994 Ford F-350 Diesel - Transmission Problems

07/08/2009 3:10 AM

Hi Davnbec, I've been rebuilding these pain in the asses since they were released by Ford. I don't do as many now but still enjoy, yes enjoy, building them to keep up the skill and now rebuild them for some of my contractor friends who do not baby them, like at all!

Yes there are absolutely many things that can be done internally that will provide some longevity. Yes some electronic "interceptors" as we called them are good, however I personally haven't experienced any of recent, especially for the price, that work as well as one that was offered from 96 to 99. Unfortunately I haven't seen any on the market since. Most now only work just "ok" for TCC. But you can only go so far with that anyway.

The first decent up grade is the Art Carr VB reprogramming kit and Trans-go make a decent one as well. (I might ad, they REALLY must be installed correctly and their kit includes modifications to internal parts to truly get the desired effects and the overall efficiency increase they were designed for.) They are designed for over all operating efficiency and fixing the haunting problems related to the torque converter lockup, or TCC. There are pump up grades and I have a couple of my own "tricks" that I utilize that help with particular componants. Chamfering area of the planets and on the sun gear are just two of 7 manual upgrades I do for better oiling and or to address strength issues. Line pressure drops are common but due to a number of VB problems, oil density issues, heat of course, tolerance problems in the drum bushings, clutch pack set ups, (the center support in the old days was a bushing type that went out constantly, then they when to what is now a bearing type, it still fails and is always typical to one of the main causes of this transmissions failure) not to mention the case can warp. They used and still do sell an after market VB case-to-plate gasket that's .20 thick just to try and take up the slack. That's after the recommended, taking a hand honing stone to the surface of the case VB channeling. Clutch pack set up is critical in the fwd and intermediate drum along with utilizing of Kolene steels and Alto Reds or Borg Warner performance clutches. There are some snap ring up grades as well as torrington bearing replacements. Sonnx makes some great VB valves that hold up to replace where the bores ware out in the aluminum valve body bores which create major pressure losses. The transmission fails due to pressure losses that can occur in many areas, including the inevitable slow leaks from areas like primarily the shifter lever seal. They did well with the pan gasket they utilize. I can go on and on.

Transtar and Sonnax are just two companies I use for hard parts related to drums, planets and upgraded components that should be replaced to make those units hold up to the torque of the diesels and the load demands we put on them. Most ALL of my past customers would over load these trucks then proceed to climb up grades doubling or tripling load weight! (we have steep mountains here) Hmm, why do they not last? Because the cases are so long anytime a vibration is created due to drive line twisting, or bad U-joints, it will cause problems typically faster than most other AT's.

Utilizing good oil and maintaining proper heating or cooling to the oil is critical. For us in the southwest heat is our enemy during the summer. So, to some small degree, yes electronics can be a problem but referencing ATRA's sight (you have to be a member) and national failier accounting history of this unit, it's primarily been internal componant failier. Some due to abuse or mis-use but primarily interal componant failier due to internal pressure losses. Hope that gave you a little more insight to this jewl of a transmission. I will say with all the right up grades it's a pretty hardy transmission. What I see these guy's haul for well over a hundred thousand miles before a rebuild amazes me.

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