Previous in Forum: Thermosetting Polymers for Printing   Next in Forum: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11 at World Trade Center
Close
Close
Close
5 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Associate

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 43

Flow Rate of CH4

07/27/2009 4:35 PM

Hello,

I have a gas tank of CH4 with a 0-50 psi pressure regulator. I am injecting the methane in the air intake of a diesel engine. The piping taking it to the piping is 1/4" of diameter and 2m long. The density of methane is 0.68 kg/m³.

I need to send to the engine a 40 L/min flow of methane. Is the pressure of 50 psi sufficient to get this flow?

Thank you

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15600
Good Answers: 981
#1

Re: Flow rate of CH4

07/27/2009 5:10 PM

This sounds like a homework problem that's out of my field. So these questions and comments may be only a red herring but here goes.

  • Do you intend on using the 2 meter long 1/4" ID diameter hose as the flow limiting orifice?
  • Will this flow enter the air-stream before or after the throttle?
  • If your diesel has a turbo will this be before or after the turbo
  • For your safety and to conserve methane find a way to turn off this flow if the engine is not running. Administrative control (remembering to manually turn it off) will not be sufficient to be really safe.
__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 43
#5
In reply to #1

Re: Flow rate of CH4

07/28/2009 9:57 AM
  • Do you intend on using the 2 meter long 1/4" ID diameter hose as the flow limiting orifice?

yes

  • Will this flow enter the air-stream before or after the throttle?

the methane will be injected directly into the air intake of the engine

  • If your diesel has a turbo will this be before or after the turbo

there is no turbo

  • For your safety and to conserve methane find a way to turn off this flow if the engine is not running. Administrative control (remembering to manually turn it off) will not be sufficient to be really safe

I am using some check valves and needle valves for this

thank you, I got the answers I wanted from the other thread linked here.

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#2

Re: Flow Rate of CH4

07/28/2009 3:28 AM

Use the Weisbach Darcy equation for generalised pipe flow, as suggested in the earlier thread on this topic. If the answer is greater than 50psi, use bigger diameter pipe.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
2
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Flow Rate of CH4

07/28/2009 3:54 AM
__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15600
Good Answers: 981
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Flow Rate of CH4

07/28/2009 9:30 AM

Nice work on the other thread PWSlack. Another GA for you. Also, I seem to have guessed correctly myself, I had no answer but at least my questions were right.

__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 5 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

markmai86 (1); PWSlack (2); redfred (2)

Previous in Forum: Thermosetting Polymers for Printing   Next in Forum: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from 9/11 at World Trade Center

Advertisement