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Frequency

08/10/2009 10:00 AM

Is it right that in 1 second a bulb blink 50 time on and 50 time off.

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08/10/2009 10:46 AM

Yes. But in US, it happens 60 times. If you were midway between it would be 50 on, and 60 off.

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08/10/2009 11:36 AM

A likely story.........

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Re: Frequency

08/10/2009 10:57 AM

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That is the nature of alternating current (A.C.), and for incandescent bulbs, the "blink" rate would equal the frequency of the A.C.

However, fluorescent lamps equipped with magnetic ballasts would flicker at a rate equal to twice the A.C. frequency

(i.e., 100 to 120 Hz.)

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08/10/2009 11:21 AM

It's 100, actually, on a 50Hz supply! The line voltage relative to neutral passes though zero twice during each cycle.

The speed is so high that the human eye/brain system cannot usually see it, and interprets the illumination as continuous.

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08/10/2009 2:48 PM

YES - I FULLY AGREE WITH THIS .....ITS 100 BLINKS

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Re: Frequency

08/10/2009 12:40 PM

I think the idea of a "blink" is a bit of a stretch. The POWER crosses zero 50 (or 60) times per second, but if you divide that into even the tiniest of time slices, it is only AT zero for a fraction of a fraction of an instant. In other words, before the current crosses zero it is at some other measurable level, as it is immediately afterward again. So when we say that the voltage is 120V or 240V, we are really speaking of the RMS voltage, a kind of average between the peak and zero. The peak voltage is actually higher than what we call it; i.e. for a 240V line the peak voltage is actually 339.5V, but when the RMS is calculated the EFFECTIVE voltage is 240V. So just as the utilization in an AC system is never referred to by the peak level, neither is it referred to by its the nadir (zero).

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So is a light bulb "blinking" then? NO. It is "glowing" from the intense heat created by the power flowing through it, which is going up and down constantly. What we PERCEIVE and a constant level of light is in actuality a phenomenon of our eyes called "persistence of vision". Just as an AC machine or heater element cannot respond to a change in current on an immediate basis, neither can the human eye respond to a change in light intensity. We do not perceive the "flicker" until it reaches something as low as 60Hz, but keep in mind that in AC, the "flicker rate" is TWICE the Hz. So on a 50Hz system, the light intensity is changing 100 times per second and in 60Hz, 120 times.

With an incandescent light filiment (something soon to be a relic), the intensity is further dampened by the fact that the temperature in a vacuum (the glass bulb) will not change very quickly, so as the power is "flickering" at 100Hz, the actual light intensitry is varying hardly at all. Fluorescent lighting is actually 'flickering" more because the light intensity is more dependent upon the excitation persistence of the phosphor lining of the tube, which is extremely short in comparison. So the 100Hz flicker is transmitted almost directly as light output. That is the basis of some studies that claim that fuorescent lighting can cause problems for some people. these claims are often based on studies of birds, who seem to be able to detect flickers of 100Hz, leading many aviaries to insist on fluorescent lighting with a minimum of 120Hz. Most accepted studies however have still confirmed that humna eyes cannot perceive flash rates greater than 60Hz.

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08/10/2009 1:20 PM

JR is right. The incandescent lights do not blink simply because there is insufficient time for the filament to cool down.

The gas lights do blink, but the frequency can not be be interpreted.

Check up the persistence of vision

Based on this the refresh of the TV screens and the Cinema snaps are refreshed.

The eyes do see the light blinking at less than 24/sec (and if one is too persistent then about 16/sec as per old movies). The most fickle eyes also do not cross 50/sec.

So the tube lights at that blinking rate can not be seen by humans as blinking.

However for animals ?

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08/10/2009 1:20 PM

Another note:

If you're using any type of high speed photography, then fluorescent lighting can cause issues due to the variation of the light at the instant the photograph is taken. This can cause problems if your manufacturing process relies on a camera to detect defects or read bar codes.

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08/10/2009 1:23 PM

Not only that try to take a photo of TV screen with the camera and see the result

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08/10/2009 2:20 PM

In short,

The incandescent bulbs emit light because of the heating effect and the filament is not cooled down within the moment of zero point of current, it doesn't blink.

But ….

The fluorescent light really blinks. Though our eyes are not smart enough to catch this blinking, we can notice it if we use a rotating equipment (a ceiling fan) in fluorescent light area. In a room of fluorescent light, start a fan and you will see the fan starts rotating in a direction, then see it is getting stopped, then see it starts rotating in the reverse direction, then again in the forward direction. …. etc. This phenomena is because of the actual blinking of the lights and it is called Stroboscopic effect (which is also used to measure the RPM of a rotating equipment). When the fan's RPM is exactly the multiples of frequency, you will see it stops.

The Stroboscopic effect is very dangerous in the industry where there are many rotating equipment. To eliminate this effect, the fluorescents lights are supplied from three different phases in the same area so that the zero crossing moments are not the same time.

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08/12/2009 8:50 AM

msamad;what you say works with a single lamp or tube, with a 2 lamp fixture a capacitor in the ballast shifts the phase to the second lamp to minimize the flicker. pc

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08/12/2009 7:14 AM

thank you so much

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08/13/2009 2:55 AM

And this matters because why? Do you want to put a strobe light in your cave to make your illegal picture of Farah Faucet seem to dance?

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