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Solar Evaporation Pond

08/19/2009 2:47 AM

Dear Colleagues - We have a elevated solar pond for evaporation of High TDS (500000)Liquid effuluent.This is old and seepage is being observed at some places. I want to repair this now. I want help from the group members for best practices in this area,like any coating can be done or special cements etc.

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L.Ramamurthy

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Re: Solar eveaperation pond

08/19/2009 4:46 AM

What is the pH of the effluent?

Also, 50% total dissolved solids sounds a lot. Is this figure correct?

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/20/2009 12:57 AM

Hello Guest,

What kind of effluent do you process, is it animal manure? The TDS sounds rather high.

Can you tell me which Country you are in please?

And do you run a full cycle effluent treatment as in the second site below?

I assume you can empty this pond before any mend is tried?

Take a look at these sites below:

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[PDF] MF1044 Wastewater Pond Design and Construction File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View Operation, maintenance, and repair needs for wastewater ... evaporation, and soil. Sewage enters the pond by a pipe below the surface but above the bottom, .... excess water must be connected to the effluent line following the tank. ...

www.oznet.ksu.edu/library/H20QL2/MF1044.PDF

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I would also advise you to view the MAF site (Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries), in addition perhaps to the one listed above.

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/20/2009 8:30 AM

Guest,

Saline effluent is likely to be corrosive. After clearing the old tank, take up usual patch up work with concrete and cement get it set. I remember in my old service company they used to give a final inner coating with BITUMIN and coal tar lining to avoid seepages. Hope you can try that and it is likely to be cheaper also.

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/20/2009 10:02 AM

Dumb question I guess.

What is the pond's construction? Are there earthen dikes around it? If so, does the earth material have a clay core? Does it have an existing liner? Or is it a tank?

The pH of the effluent is what it is and cannot be changed without a constant cost input. Repair of the pond is a one time capital outlay.

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/21/2009 5:03 PM

Hi to all,

does anybody know the relative amounts of residually dissolved salts (complete analysis down to trace elements) during evaporation?

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/21/2009 5:33 PM

Hi RABHE,

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does anybody know the relative amounts of residually dissolved salts (complete analysis down to trace elements) during evaporation?

This depends entirely on the 'type' of 'stuff' is being dealt with. It may be farm excrement and or in a different part of the country it may have drug residues, chemicals, chalk, soil, and everything in between in any other district.

If you want to get the run down on your 'local' 'stuff', search under your local area for sewage treatment.

I could give you an answer, but it would be an 'average' only.

From there you should be able to get the info you ask for.

Take care.

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/21/2009 6:45 PM

Hi,

I was only thinking about the evaporation of seawater.

Sorry for not being complete with giving information.

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08/21/2009 7:47 PM

Hello RHABE,

Thank you for the reply post. Again it depends on the sea water you test. But I can give an average or one from a particular area.

This: http://www.undeerc.org/watman/FMRiver/PPTV/totaldissolvedsolids.asp

should help.

I do not know where you live and as you will see the TDS in sea-water vary.

Here is the search page:

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Depending on the type of water, TDS can vary greatly from a few milligrams per liter to percent levels (tens of thousands of milligrams per liter). Seawater ...

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[DOC] Total Dissolved Solids File Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML See the Additional Information section of Test 12, Total Dissolved Solids, for further information about the Conductivity Probe.

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Hope this helps. As you will see from the very first address I gave it gives TDS in the US. Which it explains vary a lot unless and before it is treated.

Take care and get back to me with other details if you need to.

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/25/2009 5:28 AM

Hi,

thank you for response - but not the topic I am interested in.

If you evaporate seawater ( a factor of 10 or so) then first gypsum then table-salt is precipitated.

(The remaining brine (or bittern?) is usually pumped back to the sea in the salines and sometimes used with different methods to extract Mg, J, Br, K, Li.)

If the brine is further evaporated then there will be other salts that precipitate: which material in which order. And most important: with which of the precipitates are co-precipitated the trace elements that are dissolved in the original seawater? or are these mostly precipitated together with the major constituents?

I did Google for hours but did find only interesting stuff about chemical extraction of valuable minerals.

Thank you for your interest

RHABE

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Re: Solar Evaporation Pond

08/25/2009 6:08 AM

Hi RHABE,

Thank you for your reply post.

Can you give me some idea for what reason you want to evaporate sea water? Unless you are going to use the salt, the other tiny amount of valuable minerals take a lot of finding!

Please explain more. Thank you.

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