Robotics and Unemployment

If they were using language that is understandable, what that means is that the robots replaced the humans.

Hi Ronseto

Here's my diatribe on this older hype;

The idea of job losses is from a time when working class in industry became the maxim. Nowadays we know that human occupation is merely a human occupying their rightful existence. Obviously factories themselves don't always attract investment and therefore people of working status within them are displaced. It really only depends how your part of the world is staggered to accomodate you; and there are even 'asides' to that with the internet, networking and globalism. Strangely the acceptance is most harsh for people that can't accept arrangements (or due to those that can't provide them). But a class mentality isn't going to let go of their solidarity through occupation in the same way a political bent will have the better of you. Even how to get paid can be rearranged by allowing your house to have tenancy or letting your dependents flourishing career be the money chaser objective. Owning a showroom floor or hitting a beat isn't a demand of product sales any longer. Robots are the hope of exploiters and once the fear of the exploited; the world moved on! 'Social welfare in capital markets' won worldwide! The main problem now is stopping jobs being created for people to dither work and placing real objectives on desirable output.

Don't worry about robotics, take a look around at your average office staff since the advent of the computer.

The title should more properly be

Automation & Unemployment

There is no going back.

I have to agree; egotistical people used to claim supreme ability would be derived by having people waiting around to do things, but these days it's all about what proportion of technology can be accessed by the most limited number of people.

Similarly it used to be how many people could hit the streets to find the market, but now it's how many information systems a limited set of users have the legitimacy and authority to access.

And the pool of candidates has spread globally so that only an unrelated set of people gain access to the most capable egotist facilitators. Brainwashing isn't even required anymore because they just only facilitate particular mindsets.

And if you can hold a particular group of negative investors to task then they still have access to the masses in multiple forums which can be turned against your genetic or mental orientation or more.

I struggle to see why society itself exists to facilitate these negative restrictive egotists! But pyramid schemes have been to be the worlds favorite disgrace historically.

Overall though most of it occurs on a subconcious level so picking out the most excessive individuals often just seems cruel and unkind examination of a particle of the world's undercurrent.

I prefer to examine the other currents that flow through our ever new old world!

I'm sure some people are directly replaced by automation. However, automation alone does not seem to have caused any significant lasting increase in US unemployment rates over the last 55-60 years.

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I doubt very seriously that the recent spate of layoffs in the automotive industry resulted from increased adoption of robotics...

I guess at some point a robot could be looked at eliminating a job that several people would have done. For example loading the empty cartons into a packaging machine, one robot does this whereas there would have been 3 people on 3 shifts that may have done this if the robot wasn't used. Then because this is a repetative dull task the worker was distracted, failed to rotate correctly, and ended up with an injury after 6 months. Then this is one more person in rehabilition or on the waiting list for some sort of surgery, and with the current overworked and under staffed medical system, we would now have a further increase in waiting times and higher insurance premiums...

As you might guess, I am pro automation and robots.

In real terms what we see here in Oz is the relocation of support services off shore to places like India, and manufacturing to other Asian countries where other costs are lower. This is the real factor we see as pushing unemployment up.

Cheers.

Trevor.

I'm an automation controls engineer. Our customers primarily buy automated equipment (which may or may not contain robotics) for two reasons: 1) Capacity- they need higher volume, faster 2) Quality- automated machinery is more precise and inspection can be built in. In nearly 25 years in this field, I have as yet to see a manufacturer implement any kind of automation simply to eliminate jobs, nor have I seen layoffs because they bought a big new widget maker. I have, however, seen the US manufacturing base decline, and factories close, when operations were moved to low cost states, Mexico, Puerto Rico, even Europe for the sake of lower cost and regulation.

The automation industry itself may be growing internationally, but I would say regionally (in the NE US) it is declining. The growth of "robot repairmen" jobs never materialized.

Here is a parable to illustrate the effect of robotics and technology:

Two old timers were watching a steam-digger excavating on a construction project. One old-timer lamented "a hundred men with shovels could have done the same job". The other old-timer responded "then why not a thousand men with teaspoons".

Automation is simply another tool to improve the overall standard of living, just because this tool has wires makes it no less socially acceptable.

FROM; KAMAL JEET SINGH 726 STREET 2 BLOCK 22 COL: TIBBA SAHIB CITY: HOSHIARPUR STATE: PUNJAB COUNTRY: INDIA PIN: 146001 EMAIL: kamal.jeet249831@gmail.com kamal.jeet249831@live.com mobile: 09463414121 TO delmar I AM also ROBOTICS interested ELECTRONICS / PC HARDWARE STUDENT was astonished to see That you do Not have a correct PICTURE OF PEOPLES REQUIREMENT IN ROBOTICS. even AFTER PASSING OF DECADES Of studies " no one has PLANED TO CREATE A "ROBOT-BEGGAR" those could work for poor in collecting daily FOOD & MONEY. aLL THE INDUSTRIALIST WHO JUST WANT SPEED-UP THEIR DAILY OUTPUT FROM MACHINES / BY INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION , TRY / PLAN TO REPLACE THE PLACES OF OF MACHINE CONTROL BY " HUMANS" TO " ROBOTS" TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF MISHAP. DEFINITELY THIS IF NOT REDUCE EMPLOYMENT , DO REDUCE " VALUE OF DAILY WAGE IMPORTANCE OF A HUMAN" Still human scientists " creating ROBOTS" are inattentive / concerned about "REPLACEMENT / MAINTAINENCE COST OF ROBOT MACHINES" Still as HUMANS Are experimenting with USAGE AND SUPPORT Benefits OF ROBOTS WITHOUT TAKING THE " LONG TERM EFFECTS " / RECYCLING NEEDS INTO NOTICE. LASTLY IT SHOULD BE SEEN THAT BENEFITS MAY NOT BE OVERRULED DISADVANTAGES OF ROBOT USE. IF you have some FREE BOOKS / CD / TUTORIAL ABOUT " ROBOTICS " please forward at my POSTAL ADDRESS GIVEN ABOVE FREE OF COST. THANKING YOU, YOURS TRULY, KAMAL JEET SINGH DATE: 6 SEP 2009 NOTE: I am joining A seminar on ROBOTICS ON 12 SEP 2009 VISIT: www.mitbot.com

Please take this in the manner I intend it.

your posts are hard to read.

The use of capitol letters to should be restricted to the 1st letter of words.

The use of large blocks of text is considered shouting on this & most other forums.

I edited your last post by adding line breaks & spacing as an example:

FROM;

KAMAL JEET SINGH

726 STREET 2 BLOCK 22 COL:

TIBBA SAHIB CITY: HOSHIARPUR STATE:

PUNJAB COUNTRY:

INDIA PIN: 146001

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TO delmar

I AM also ROBOTICS interested ELECTRONICS / PC HARDWARE STUDENT was astonished to see That you do Not have a correct PICTURE OF PEOPLES REQUIREMENT IN ROBOTICS.

even AFTER PASSING OF DECADES Of studies " no one has PLANED TO CREATE A "ROBOT-BEGGAR" those could work for poor in collecting daily FOOD & MONEY.

aLL THE INDUSTRIALIST WHO JUST WANT SPEED-UP THEIR DAILY OUTPUT FROM MACHINES / BY INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION , TRY / PLAN TO REPLACE THE PLACES OF OF MACHINE CONTROL BY " HUMANS" TO " ROBOTS" TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF MISHAP.

DEFINITELY THIS IF NOT REDUCE EMPLOYMENT , DO REDUCE " VALUE OF DAILY WAGE IMPORTANCE OF A HUMAN"

Still human scientists " creating ROBOTS" are inattentive / concerned about "REPLACEMENT / MAINTAINENCE COST OF ROBOT MACHINES"

Still as HUMANS Are experimenting with USAGE AND SUPPORT Benefits OF ROBOTS WITHOUT TAKING THE " LONG TERM EFFECTS " / RECYCLING NEEDS INTO NOTICE.

LASTLY IT SHOULD BE SEEN THAT BENEFITS MAY NOT BE OVERRULED DISADVANTAGES OF ROBOT USE.

IF you have some FREE BOOKS / CD / TUTORIAL ABOUT " ROBOTICS " please forward at my POSTAL ADDRESS GIVEN ABOVE FREE OF COST.

THANKING YOU, YOURS TRULY, KAMAL JEET SINGH DATE: 6 SEP 2009

NOTE: I am joining A seminar on ROBOTICS ON 12 SEP 2009 VISIT: www.mitbot.com

Would anyone venture a guess as to the origin of automation?

Here's mine:

Eli Whitney & his interchangeable rifle parts.

Standardization & automation go hand in hand.

Manufacturing can't be exported if skilled labor & craftsman are required.

If you really think about it automation could be extended back to the first lift pump in mesoptamia driven by animal power, which may have replaced a few 10s of people with buckets. and I am sure the people with the buckets felt they were highly skilled and had no need to adapt to the changing technologies, but rather the governemnt should keep them working carrying buckets and ongoing whining..... As a tool if one society refuses to advance and use new tools that allow increased productivity and quality at a reduced cost, that society falls behind and becomes dependant on other societies that have advanced, falling into decline and eventually, if they do not change, becoming extinct. The unskilled labor forces always concern themselves with their job now, without any consideration to the future or the long term advancement of the company. If the company grows and makes money then so should the laborer if he contributed, but if it goes broke because it refuses to advance, then what should he do. In this sense in many cases powerful labor unions have become a huge burden on those societies where they exist, as they are only concerned with protectionism of as many of their members jobs against the interests of keeping the employers competitive.

FROM; KAMAL JEET SINGH 726 STREET 2 BLOCK 22 COL: TIBBA SAHIB CITY: HOSHIARPUR STATE: PUNJAB COUNTRY: INDIA PIN: 146001 EMAIL: kamal.jeet249831@gmail.com kamal.jeet249831@live.com mobile: 09463414121 TO RONSETO, I AM also ROBOTICS interested ELECTRONICS / PC HARDWARE STUDENT was astonished to see That you do Not have a correct PICTURE OF PEOPLES REQUIREMENT IN ROBOTICS. even AFTER PASSING OF DECADES Of studies " no one has PLANED TO CREATE A "ROBOT-BEGGAR" those could work for poor in collecting daily FOOD & MONEY. aLL THE INDUSTRIALIST WHO JUST WANT SPEED-UP THEIR DAILY OUTPUT FROM MACHINES / BY INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION , TRY / PLAN TO REPLACE THE PLACES OF OF MACHINE CONTROL BY " HUMANS" TO " ROBOTS" TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF MISHAP. DEFINITELY THIS IF NOT REDUCE EMPLOYMENT , DO REDUCE " VALUE OF DAILY WAGE IMPORTANCE OF A HUMAN" Still human scientists " creating ROBOTS" are inattentive / concerned about "REPLACEMENT / MAINTAINENCE COST OF ROBOT MACHINES" Still as HUMANS Are experimenting with USAGE AND SUPPORT Benefits OF ROBOTS WITHOUT TAKING THE " LONG TERM EFFECTS " / RECYCLING NEEDS INTO NOTICE. LASTLY IT SHOULD BE SEEN THAT BENEFITS MAY NOT BE OVERRULED DISADVANTAGES OF ROBOT USE. IF you have some FREE BOOKS / CD / TUTORIAL ABOUT " ROBOTICS " please forward at my POSTAL ADDRESS GIVEN ABOVE FREE OF COST. THANKING YOU, YOURS TRULY, KAMAL JEET SINGH DATE: 6 SEP 2009 NOTE: I am joining A seminar on ROBOTICS ON 12 SEP 2009 VISIT: www.mitbot.com

Robots are definitely causing people to get laid off. I saw one in electronic manufacturing pick and place hybrid parts Robot bonding of chips etc. But Robot programmers got it made!