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Measuring Current from an AA Cell

09/09/2009 11:47 PM

Measuring amperage from an AA cell If I use a 1 ohm 1 percent precision current sensing resistor (SR20), hook the cell to the two ends, take a voltage reading from the two center posts, does that give me the max amperage the cell can produce? Does 1.05 amps sound reasonable using a 700mah cell?

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Re: Measuring amperage from an AA cell

09/09/2009 11:58 PM

Homework alert! Homework alert!

"Does 1.05 amps sound reasonable using a 700mah cell?"

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09/10/2009 1:26 AM

loved it .

I could have used something like Lay Day (Laymen Day) but that gives a wrong meaning too and might be censored .

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Re: Measuring Current From an AA Cell

09/10/2009 2:52 AM

The 'short circuit current' has nothing to do with the Ah capacity of the cell...it's all about the internal resistance of the cell...you don't even need the 1ohm, just put the meter right across the cell (on 10A range).
It's about the cell chemistry....
Don't try the test on a Nicad or a lead acid battery, in fact its a bad thing to do to any cell.
Test it on the load it will be used with.
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Re: Measuring Current From an AA Cell

09/10/2009 9:07 AM

The 1 ohm resistor is the load. Using an AA 1.2v 700mAh cell and your stated precision resistor:I get a voltage reading of .98 volts, meaning .98 amps. Taking a direct reading as del recommends I get a reading of 3.08 amps. Now, which one is right. I'll ask around.

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09/10/2009 9:19 AM

They are both 'right', youy can work out the internal resistance of the cell if you measure the voltage at the same time...
It's completely irrelevant anyway unless you happen to be driving a 1ohm load...in which case use the .98Amp figure.
But in reality you wouldn't want to draw 1 amp from an AA cell...Unless maybe you were using it to trigger an explosive device or similaar one shot device.
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09/10/2009 10:56 AM

Dear guest #2 If you want to see a mystery, Set up the experiment as guest one does. That is, put the resistor in line with the cell and take the voltage measurement on the two center posts. Then change the meter setting to amps, and put the probes in line with the resistor. The readings will be different. It's a mystery to me!

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09/10/2009 11:11 PM

No mystery. A multimeter must interfere slightly with the circuit to take its measurement. A voltmeter draws off only a small amount of current in order to take its reading, usually too tiny to be noticed. But an ammeter features a shunt resistor (a fraction of an ohm) that adds a small but significant additional voltage drop, proportional to the current, which is then interpreted as by the display as Amps.

And NiCd and NiMH batteries typically have only 1/20th of an ohm internal resistance, so don't short circuit them please.

And And... You get the greatest amount of power from a battery when the load resistance equals the internal resistance of the battery. Only the load resistor does work. Less load resistance and you waste too much energy heating up the battery; more load resistance and although you develop less power you do make more of the battery's stored energy available to do useful work.

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09/11/2009 3:23 AM

"And NiCd and NiMH batteries typically have only 1/20th of an ohm internal resistance, so don't short circuit them please. And And... You get the greatest amount of power from a battery when the load resistance equals the internal resistance of the battery."

Surely 0.05 Ohms is practically short circuit?

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09/11/2009 5:05 PM

Exactly...and if you short them you get huge currents and the potential to start a fire very quickly, or to melt metal...

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09/11/2009 11:11 AM

You need a Hall effect current probe to measure the short circuit current. Your college lab should have one, plus a good scope. To get the transient current, use a switch to close the short circuit, and capture the current wave on the scope.

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Re: Measuring Current from an AA Cell

09/11/2009 12:59 PM

Hmmm, but is shorting out a AA battery really the condition to get the most current through this battery? What about connecting the battery to a switch that then connects to a large capacitor that's reverse biased to 1200 volts. That should deplete that battery in no time. Pop goes the AA cell.

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09/11/2009 7:36 PM

Yes.

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09/11/2009 9:42 PM

I posed my silly yet valid answer, reply #10 , to point out that there really isn't a single peak current that a AA battery can provide. It all depends on what is the circuit attached to the battery. But of course there's a limit to how long a battery can continue to provide that current. One should expect that an initially fresh AA battery rated for 700mAH providing 1A should provide 42 minutes of 1A of current.

So what the OP probably should find out from his data is the series resistance of his voltage source. (As others have pointed out here.) But that is as far as I'll go on this homework problem.

(I just loved Lynlynch's first post.)

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Re: Measuring Current from an AA Cell

09/12/2009 1:07 PM

Right on. The most amperage that a cell can produce will the be the turn-on transient with a perfect short from anode to cathode. The most power it can provide would be when the external load exactly matches the cell's internal resistance.

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Measuring Current from an AA Cell (Take It Easy)

09/11/2009 6:20 PM

What you intend to perform is the "Theorem of maximum power transfer". The explanation of how to do it is at this link:

http://electronicacompleta.com/lecciones/circuito-de-entrada-y-antena/

But unfortunately is in Spanish, using the Google translator can achieve understanding.

In the engine Google You can also search for: "Theorem maximum energy transfer, I suppose there will be some link in English.

I hope this information Help You.

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Re: Measuring Current from an AA Cell

10/27/2009 12:12 AM

Study up on A/hr discharge rate this will help you understand.

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