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Cooling System Question

09/13/2009 9:42 AM

I'm curious about a couple aspects of the cooling system.

First, why does it call for a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water?

Second, why does it occasionally need to be topped-off? If it is a closed system, where does the coolant go?

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Re: Cooling system question

09/13/2009 10:06 AM

There is a lot of engineering and science in cooling systems. There are also several reasons that coolant is mixed to the proper mix, which most times is 50% antifreeze & water. Mixed coolant transfers heat better than straight water. The boiling point is much higher for mixed coolant than straight water. When you have been to the parts store, have you noticed several different types of antifreeze on the shelf? This is because different engines need a different design of coolant to make their cooling systems work efficient & last a long time. One of the worst things that you can do to your cooling system is to run it on straight water, or use coolant that says it will work in all makes & all models of engines. Some coolant has phosphates in it, some doesn't, some has nitrates in it, some doesn't. some has silicates in it, some doesn't. This is why, there is no "one size fits all" antifreeze that will work in all makes and all models. Using the wrong coolant can cause cavitation in a cooling system, corrosion in the cooling system, which results in leaks & or poor cooling. If you are having problems selecting the proper antifreeze for your car, go to the car dealership and get it there. It is always better to be safe than sorry. Also, if you mixing coolant, use distilled water, since the chemicals in most tap water are not compatible with coolant, and ruins the chemistry of the coolant.

If you are loosing coolant and can't see where it's going, there are two causes. #1 is that the coolant is seeping out very slowly and is being vaporized before it hits the ground. #2 the coolant is seeping internally into the engine and is being burned in the combustion chamber, or is being caught in the engine oil.

Some times coolant leaks can be rather hard to find. Start by pressurizing the cooling system to 15 psi, (for most cooling systems) and then warm up the engine. Do this, since some leaks happen when the engine is hot, and some leaks happen when the engine is cold. Let the pressure remain on the cooling system for several hours, while you use a bright light to watch where the intake gaskets might leak, radiator tank gaskets might leak, hose connections where they are fastened to metal or plastic parts.

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09/13/2009 10:50 AM

Nice comprehensive answer bwrench. You get a GA from me.

The only thing I'd want to add is that there really isn't such a thing as a closed system. Before I produce a flurry of comments following this reply, let me explain. I know that any sudden, significant drop in coolant will be caused by a leak somewhere. You superbly covered these sources and how to detect them in your reply, but some losses cannot be avoided. Most vehicles today have an overflow tank with coolant. While the vapor pressure of the antifreeze will be very low, the water will still be able to evaporate to the air. Also regardless of the tightness of any seal, particularly a moving seal like at the water pump, some capillary wicking will happen. For all of these unavoidable paths to make a noticeable loss of coolant, months of daily use will have to happen.

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09/13/2009 12:00 PM

OK! I agree with you on not using straight water, but if 50% is good, is 100% better?

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09/13/2009 12:08 PM

From the Peak website:


Frequently Asked Questions

A.

Why is it important to mix antifreeze with water?

B.

Can I mix ordinary tap water with antifreeze?

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Why does my vehicle owner's manual recommend a phosphate free antifreeze?

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What makes SIERRA® Antifreeze safer?

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Can I mix SIERRA Antifreeze with an ethylene glycol based antifreeze?

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What is the shelf life of antifreeze?

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What is PEAK™ Global LifeTime™ Antifreeze & Coolant?

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How should I dispose of used antifreeze?

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What is the proper mixture of antifreeze to water for adequate freeze protection in my area?

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Where can I obtain all of the details about the limited lifetime warranty for PEAK Global Lifetime?



A. Why is it important to mix antifreeze with water?
Antifreeze contains chemicals that protect your engine against rust and corrosion, as well as freeze-up and boil over protection. Water is required to activate the chemicals in the inhibitor package. Furthermore, adding water to antifreeze actually increases the freeze-up and boil over protection provided. For example, a mix of 40% antifreeze and 60% water provides freeze-up protection down to -10°F and boil over protection up to 259°F. In comparison, a mix of 70% antifreeze and 30% water provides freeze-up protection down to -62°F and boil over protection up to 270°F. However, we do not recommend adding more than 70% antifreeze. This would limit the corrosion and freeze up protection and heat transfer capabilities of the antifreeze.

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09/13/2009 11:42 AM

"First, why does it call for a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water?"

Because the manufacturer formulates antifreeze to have the maximum "antifreeze capability" with a 50/50 water mix. As I recall a 50/50 mix of antifreeze/water will protect down to -34 degrees F.

All the anti-boiling propaganda started in the 60's as a way to get consumers to use antifreeze year round.

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09/13/2009 1:04 PM

I don't know where the 50/50 business came from, but it is not the word of God. Water is a better coolant than antifreeze. You only need enough antifreeze for the coldest temperature your car will experience. I live in Texas and my car is garaged, so it never even gets down to 32F. So I use no antifreeze. My coolant is distilled water plus a bottle of Red Line Water Wetter, which has all the good chemicals found in antifreeze. I've been doing this for 15 years with no problems.

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