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dark matter/dark energy... could these be as fictional as the Coreolis force?

09/26/2009 1:00 AM

....so i had a couple amazing dreams, one has me working on a novel heat pump.... the other i offer for critique, entertainment...

Much consternation surrounds the lack of success in finding and understanding the widely accepted but still merely theoretical 'dark matter', and the repulsive 'dark energy'.

The armies embroiled search for the mythical dark pair, in hopes of explaining the large mismatch between the current prevelent theories, and the observed data....

perhaps searching for dark energy/dark matter is like searching for a 'Coreolis impetus' or a 'Coreolis sinnie-god' that generates the Coreolis force..... when in fact the phenomina is more easily explained with a considertion of frame of reference.

it is widely held that the universe possibly observable emenating froma point is more broad than could be traveled at the speed of light for the entire age since the initial 'b' in bang. this is rationalized by allowing for the actual growth of the space ....like an ant crawling across lycra which is being stretched.

it hit me in my dream that if the space and matter were spinning rapidly early in the bang... say maybe on the 'a' , that the 'need' for dark energy or matter might be as difficult to find as the actual (?) stuff .

Supposing that the instability that initiated the bang might have created an ossilation or separation of the relative spin rates of the matter/energy vs. the fabric of space.

much like being on a rapidly turning merry-go round, staring at the center and then vomiting directly in the center. without knowledge of any non-spinning (nonexistant) 'other' to reference your spin, the strange accelerations of your vomit as it spread outward from the center of the merrigo-round, might cause you to drunkenly decide dark gravity was the only answer for the acceleration, but indeed, you need to reference your spinning frame.

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ben griffin's drunken ballerina solution to the big bang accelleration.

ideas? ridicule? instruction? alms?

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Re: dark matter/dark energy... could these be as fictional as the Coreolis force?

09/26/2009 2:28 AM

Sleep it off.

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Re: dark matter/dark energy... could these be as fictional as the Coreolis force?

09/26/2009 3:36 AM

It would help if you tuned up the spelling and grammar of this notion. The Coriolis effect (which is not exactly a force) is quite easy to understand, and it has nothing to do with dark energy or dark matter. Much of the rest of this topic is a melange of buzzwords. There isn't even a question there, much less an answer.

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09/26/2009 4:31 AM

It is a force since force is the origin of a velocity change either as value or as direction. The Coriolis effect is the force changing the speed vector direction.

Definition of force is

F= d(m*v)/dt

m is always a scalar value but v is a vector characterized by value and direction.

This can be in case of a straight movement as a scalar derivative and when it is not on a straight one it is a vectorial derivative.

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09/26/2009 6:08 AM

thank you for brightening my morning Tornado! your little ramble about my little ramble got me chuckling.....specifically the point at which you definitively claimed that the Coreolis effect has 'nothing to do with dark energy or dark matter'.

delightful, really. you trumpeting absolute certainty of non relation of anything to dark matter or energy is adorable. dark energy and dark matter are theoretical suggestions. no one knows the composition, physical, chemical, magnetic nor other traits, and ironically from your frame of reference you can rule out relation with absolute certainty... you rely on looks then i'm guessing?

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09/26/2009 6:43 AM

I didn't "trumpet the absolute certainty" of anything, but if you think that the Coriolis effect has anything to do with dark matter or energy, please feel free to explain. But please do explain.

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09/26/2009 7:06 AM

'".....is easy to understand'"(trumpeting), '" and has nothing to do with'" (your absolute certainty)

'nothing to do with is just too broadly easy to shoot down.

but what i am interested in discussing is the plausibility that the 'forces we attribute to dark matter might more easily be explained by centrifugal/centripilar like forces on a universal level.

as such that would suggest that coreolis is similar to dark matter in that these a valid only from a non-steady-state-enertial (feel free to just read this as 'melange of buzzwords) frame of reference.

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Re: dark matter/dark energy... could these be as fictional as the Coreolis force?

09/27/2009 8:43 AM

Looking at your reaction I would suggest you do not participate any more at the CR4 discussions. You are one of those I call "believers" who do not accept any other opinion and "believe "that they detain the truth.

We are at CR4 "normal" technical people who accept to be wrong even if some times we discuss at a "warmer" level.

Any way what I notice is that every body uses the correct name "CORIOLIS" and you maintain the wrong one not accepting that you could be wrong.

From the other point of view if you have any respect for the language you use then you should at least use the spelling corrector and try to present your ideas in a correct form.

If you will ever come back you behave in a polite and correct manner or you should not come back any more.

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Re: dark matter/dark energy... could these be as fictional as the Coreolis force?

09/26/2009 5:51 AM

I appologize if posting from my mobile phone and adopting text-ish format offended the grammar and style righteous.

i admit my off the cuff explanation required more than TV level (ahem) 'attention' to follow... this time i will type 'louder and slower"... be sure that you read it in a similar fashion.

I was using the Coreolis effect (which is also know as the Coreolis force, and also called a fictional or reference force, since the 'force' is only used to explain the motion of the reference) as an example.... not suggesting an argument nor asking a question based on this effect.

the readers digest or tv-guide glazed-eye version is as follows:

*** 'might it be possible to do away with the 'need' for dark/energy/matter' with a rapidly spinning universal fabric and early matter energy reference.....allowing the expansion and repulsion to be a consequence of missmatch between the matter/energy spin rate and the expanding fabric of space spin rate....'*****

as an added bonus to refund some of the attention you have spent reading my critically bashed drivel this morning.... here is a palandrome for your enjoyment and edification

God, a red nugget, a fat egg, under a dog.

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09/26/2009 9:40 AM

I'm one of those, "grammar and style righteous" people.

GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!

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09/26/2009 5:46 PM

Ah, sleep it off Lynlynch...

Either that, or get a life.

Hypocrisy is such a self defeating habit, hopefully you can nip it in your butt.

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09/26/2009 7:50 PM

Thanks, I will sleep it off.

Good luck!

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