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How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

09/26/2009 5:00 AM

There is a system like this:

Two 10HP/1440RPM pumps drawing liquid in parrallel from a main tank and pushing it in to a 100NB line (actually need to be that both would be on at the same time). From that 100NB line, a few 65NB delivery points are there. The pumps are rated at 500 LPM.

How can I know the flow rate at any given delivery point based on how many pumps are on and how many delivery points are open?

The reason for the question is to be able to know how to size the specifications for the meters/valves at the delivery points.

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

09/26/2009 10:00 AM

Good day, Znago

I am not going to do it for you but I will be glad to assist.

Fist Sketch out the schematic. And include;

Pipe: 1.) Fittings in each line, 2.) Laterals, 3.) Sizes, 4.) Lengths

Then you can apply pressure drops download a program, but I have used this.

Engineering Power Tools

Look under HVAC, and click fluid flow through pipe. You may have to convert to metric.

Pumps: 1.) Model, 2.) Size, 3.) RPM , 4.) Pressure, 5.) Impeller Dia. 6.) GPM/LPM 7.) HP

You can get the pump curve from the manufacturer with the information.

Take your sketch and walk through the item and write the conditions (Pumps on/off, Valves open/closed) down the drops from the program. You will have to go through it the same number of times as the conditions. STEP BY STEP, no short cuts.

This should give you a good base line to work off of. (if not solve it for you.)

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

09/26/2009 10:50 PM

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

09/27/2009 3:02 PM

If I understand correct, you are asking how to specify the valves and size them. Usually, it is the requirement of flow at certain point will define the valves that needs to be sized. For example: if flow requirement at certain point is 50 lph, then it means you can open upto valves with the pumps you have. Also, the pipes sizes will depend much of how many valves would be open at the same time.

You have to refer to the valves and/or pipes manufacturers to provide you the capacity of each valve and the friction loss. Make sure, the friction lost at each valves should not exceed 10% of the pump pressure.

Hope this answer your question.

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

09/28/2009 12:39 PM

If 2 pumps are running instead of one, one doesn't get twice the flow. The reason is that the system the pumps are connected to has a characteristic curve just like the pump characteristic curve. Where these two curves intersect is the operating point.

A full hydraulic analysis of the system is required to obtain the system characteristic curve. It can be done from first princiles, though alternatively, one can use some pressure gauges and some way of measuring and modulating the flow in the system.

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

09/28/2009 9:03 PM

If you install a few pressure gauges, the problem can be solved to some extent as follows.

1. Measure pump inlet and outlet pressure for each pump. Convert this deltaP into meters (if water at ambient conditions, you may use 1 bar = 10.21 meters). This is pump TDH (total developed head).

2. Then refer to pump curves and calculate the flow corresponding to the TDH. Add flow of each pump to calculate the system flow.

3. Take pressure reading at each delivery point and calulate pressure loss (deltaP) from pump duscharge to the delivery point.

4. Use darcy-weisbach equation deltaP = 4flv^2/2g. Depending on pipe material there are values for the f - friction factor (see Crane Technical paper or just google). From the data availabe so far you can now calculate v - pipe velocity.

5. Multiply the velocity with the pipe cross sectional area (pi/4 x ID^2) to calculate the flow.

6. You may cross check by adding the flow from each delivery point and compare to the system flow calculated in step-1. If the error is small, you got what you wanted!!! If not, go back and re-check.

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

10/11/2009 6:20 AM

There's even more to it than has been posted.

What are the differences in "altitude" of the pump outlets and the various discharge points? If the height difference is substantial, then you have another factor to include.

Like if you are pumping water and the branches are at different floor levels in a multi-story building.

As others have already suggested, you need to map the system and do the sums, since not only is the layout important, but also the pipe lengths and the pump "performance curves". (Maybe the 500lpm is at no pressure.)

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Re: How to calculate flow rate in a pipe system

10/11/2009 10:05 AM

What are the differences in "altitude" of the pump outlets and the various discharge points? If the height difference is substantial, then you have another factor to include.

I thought I did included on post #1, (forgotten) that but Engineering Power Tools program does.

Good catch though

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