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Weight of Water

10/16/2009 2:21 AM

what is the weight of 1 liter of water n plzz can any one derive that answer also..

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10/19/2009 8:51 AM

For all PRACTICAL purposes 1kg + the mug as if you weighed and drank a couple of them you wouldn't be interested in decimal points anyhow.

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10/19/2009 11:00 AM

Gentlemen we progress: 15 comments more and we reach 100!

What a performance!

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10/19/2009 11:09 AM

Is this really progress?

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10/19/2009 11:04 AM

Multi-Post Reply, here. To 79: "This thread and comments are becoming ridiculous and childish." Not-to-mention INCOMPLETE !

To Post 22: "According to the SI System of weights and measurements; a kilogram is defined as the weight of one litre of water."

Hasn't that been superceded ... ? What was your (out-of-date) reference for that statement? [Read-on, to bottom, here]

To Post 25: "I am deeply disappointed by the wrong use of notions and misuse of references." I concur, in that not enough people have provided references (up-to-date refs, that is) for their supposedly 'axiomatic' claims of fact.

Post 26 said: "One litre of water has a mass of almost exactly one kilogram when measured at its maximal density... However, this definition was abandoned in 1799 because the density of water changes with temperature and, very slightly, with pressure." WHERE did that date / piece of data come from? The NIST site says the change occurred in 1889.

IF each poster to this thread would have provided references for his/her statements, perhaps there would have been more agreement, culminating in an appropriate, and definitive answer, instead of digressing into so much stone throwing.

At the site for "The International Association for the Properties of Water and Steam" it says: "...have the properties of water changed? Of course not. What has changed is our ability to precisely determine temperatures in closer approximation to the true thermodynamic temperature. It turns out that the true temperature of water's boiling point is not quite what people thought it was when the Celsius scale was first defined long ago." It goes on:

"The gram was originally defined as the mass of one cubic centimeter of water at some standard condition. However, mass is now referenced to the standard kilogram, which is a platinum/iridium cylinder kept in Paris. This is advantageous because it is independent of the standard of length and because a solid is easier to weigh precisely than a liquid. Careful measurements have shown that liquid water at its density maximum has a density slightly less than 1 g/cm3; the currently accepted number is 0.999975 g/cm3."

Further, they provide a link to the NIST site, wherein that detail is acknowledged.

Somebody suggested "googling" the answer.... One can certainly be misled, when trying that method to find a classroom-quality answer to a question such as this one {it IS posted under "Education" is it not?}. Not every up-to-date tidbit is so easy to find; e.g., "Wiki's" page on properties of water (which someone suggested)... gives water's density as: "1000 kg m-3, liquid (4 °C)"

"Close-enough-for-us" , wiki may be... (to quote several members, regarding "significant digits"...)

However, I should think that we, in such a professional forum, could do one step better.

{hope this offers counterpoise to one of my own "open-mouth-insert-foot" incidents}

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10/19/2009 11:48 AM

To be honest I made an error since I wrote as reference the 20°C temperature instead of 4°C!

The reason is that I am so accustomed with "normal" conditions that I did not think deep enough.

I apologize and thank to the participants for not having made a comment on it.

May be I am right few are those who realy read what other already wrote but anyway THANKS!

A last comment with respect to "progress", a progress is a change in position in a direction but on same direction there are 2 senses!

Up to us to make the right choice.

AND WE ARE AT 89!!!!!!! Still only 11 to get the 100.

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10/19/2009 8:03 PM

I gave you a Ga for your post, it points out the facts without being a smart butt and condescending on other posters. While many of the posts here are scientific in nature many are more general in nature and some are asking for opinions from people with real experiences to back their answers. To me a person with real experience on a subject is a good reference and the true expert on a matter is one that has lived or worked through a problem.

We see allot of posters that ask somewhat vague questions like the one that started this post and they seem to be straight out of a home work assignment or either someone with bad English. At first it was plain to me (I am not a scientist and do not have any degree) that this was a home work problem. After reading it and his other comments I think that he already knew the scientific answer and stated his post in a vague fashion on purpose hoping anyone that read it would think he was asking for (and probably could only understand) the short version answer. I say this because he gives very little information on what exactly he wants to know and at first it seems that like he doesn't have a clue about it. If he had stated the post differently by listing some more of the parameters of what he wanted to know I am pretty sure he would have gotten the more in depth scientific version answer and explanation he was looking for.

I 'd be surprised if he and the smarter than everyone guest is not in cahoots and just trying to see if they can start some crap and get people riled up. If I am wrong I apologize, but when a general question is asked I see it best to give a general answer like Steve did at first anyway. I goggled the question just to see what I found and it looks like he probably already had searched the web himself and/or knew the answer before he posted IMO.

What I hate to see is somebody hiding behind the Guest name making rude and stupid remarks about people he doesn't even know just to be seen as smart. I wonder if the guests that post these rude remarks really think that they look like anything other than a stone cold idiot or little kid trying to get attention. Either way it really doesn't matter, the guest falls under the catagotry that "if we could by for him what he really knows and sell for what he thinks he knows we could all afford to quit working and go on a long vacation" IMO.

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10/19/2009 9:13 PM

Thanks, pipewelder ... and, thanks for the "careful-read", which you clearly did.

I , too , have experienced feeling 'fed-up' with Guest posts that are all-too-frequently inappropriate. (Somewhere, I expressed my vote that registration should be mandatory before being allowed to post. *Other* websites do it ... what could possibly be lost? ... Alright ; I remember: some posts would never get made at all, for the individual's fear of sounding "stupid"...)

With this one, I clicked on rajeshpassi's name and checked the kinds of posts he has made... Seemed to me that he was a "newbie", who was quite impressed with the knowledge base here, and simply wished to take advantage of it. The fact that he initiated this in the "Education" arena, and that he emphasized his desire to know the origin of the data ("derivation") raised my own level of curiosity: (?) was *I* remembering exactly correctly, myself...?

From my own searches, I learned something new myself! Can't help but share that with the group that has entertained my own whimsical inquiries, providing me with numerous enlightenments ... and quite politely so, even when said enlightenment was in the form of information that (perhaps) ought to have been previously understood

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10/19/2009 9:38 PM

Raj,

You still here?

Speaking from experience:

As one who has carried tons, or tonnes, or kiloponds of water up a steep hill during my youth I derive the weight of pure spring water by the force my body exerted to keep it off the ground.

In the beginning I carried two half-full 10-quart buckets and as I grew stronger I filled them to overflowing and learned to carry without spilling very much.

My name is not Newton so Newtons were not involved with what I felt carrying the family water supply. I felt the weight of the mass of the water and, of course, the buckets. So the pure cold spring water most likely "weighed" close to 1 kg per litre.

We didn't use rainwater because the Asarco smelter was depositing Arsenic and lead in high quantities for a hundred years.

In the course of traveling from the spring almost every day someone might come up with how many furlongs-per-fortnight it took over the years that I carried the family water supply. Then we could get this thread to go to 200 entries.

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10/19/2009 10:06 PM

"what is the weight of 1 liter of water n plzz can any one derive that answer also."

I propose the original question.

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10/20/2009 10:22 AM

d o r k ! just wanted too see you n ame in the 100th post box!

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10/21/2009 2:31 AM

And what about you? You keep slavishly following everything he posts here while contributing absolutely nothing of worth of your own, only infantile snide remarks. So who's the real dork now?

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10/20/2009 7:58 AM

I believe this was HOMEWORK anyway.

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10/20/2009 11:57 AM

What! "HOMEWORK" in "The Education Section", how dare they, the snotty little upstarts!

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10/20/2009 10:31 AM

I find this unbelievable and sadly entertaining.

A simple question asked in a simple way deserves a simple answer which was answered right away. 1 Kg. Grade 9 homework perhaps.

It is funny to see everyone exercising or "Showing Off" their Engineering Minds! This is what I really like about CR4, educational and entertaining. It allows perspective from different backgrounds / cultures and promotes open mindedness. "More than one way to skin a cat, but you still end up with a skinned cat" LOL (sorry Del)

Mud slinging will always happen as it is human nature and we in CR4 know who we are bantering with, but I am very disappointed with this person signing in as Guest because by not signing on you only can be compared to a "Sniper" or at extreme a "terrorist". You appear as if you have great insight and thinking but by not signing you have no credibility.

I first posted a couple of times as a guest, got a GA and was hooked. Signed up and am very happy to be involved with the community!

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10/20/2009 12:09 PM

This is the first time I've checked back to read the comments since a few minutes after the conversation began. Working 7-12's. I did see where someone early on seemed to be appalled that anyone would inquire as to the nature of the water in question. I immediately pictured an angry professor slamming his hat to the ground. I did get a good laugh out of that one. Sadly, I don't have the time to read all of the discussion, as I went straight to the last one just now to maybe see what was going on, and I must say, I am amazed this has lasted so long. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to read the entire thread, soon. Good day to all.

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10/20/2009 4:07 PM

Don't waste your time with this one.

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