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THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/07/2009 11:20 AM

Please give your idea and how to solve.

When the thermal oil temperature reach to 1200 C, the circulating pump pressure drop to only 1.1 Bar.

And when the thermal oil temperature below 950 C, the circulating pump pressure was increase back to 7.5 Bar. I checked all lines and expansion tank were Fine.

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Oky Harpriyanto

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/07/2009 11:39 AM

Type of pump?

The temperature between 95 and 120 is quite huge for an oil and its viscosity is likely to drop sharply.

This drop ins viscosity is like to reduce all the line resistances and that will cause the pressure to drop and that may be compounded by quite a bit drop in the pump output flow.

Check the flow rate at the said temperatures and then you may have some idea of what is happening.

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/07/2009 6:51 PM

Appraise for your respond,

Type of Pump, Etanorm SY40-250, suitable for Thermal oil up to 3000C and pressure of max. 16 Bar.

This is Thermal Oil Boiler/heater (Hot oil loop system)

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/07/2009 3:54 PM

This might be a case of cavitation at the pump suction. Is there a suction pressure/vacuum gauge in addition to the discharge pressure gauge? If so, what does it read? Are there any partially closed valves or other restrictions between the tank and the pump suction?

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/07/2009 6:39 PM

Appraise for your respond,

Unfortunately no gauge at the suction line. I wl provide gauge to see the reading.

This is for Thermal oil Boiler /heater system. we cheked the system line and valves were in order.

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/08/2009 10:00 PM

You have a centrifugal pump. The viscosity change of any decent Thermal oil between 95 and 120 deg C is relatively small as these are usually high viscosity index oils so this should not affect the pump or the system too much. (Not enough to explain a 6.4 bar pressure difference anyway).

I would strongly suggest that your system is contaminated with water and that you are having problems pumping steam. Increase the temperature to around 110 deg C while continuously venting the system and see if you get any vapour coming out. Keep venting until all moisture is removed from your system.

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/09/2009 11:23 AM

At 120 c you are more than likely cooking off hydro carbons try using diffusers in the high points of your system. At some point as the oil cooks more and more hydro carbons off there will be less gases in your system and you will expierence less cavitation. Be aware when adding new oil as your problems will start all over again.

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/09/2009 9:42 PM

Without using trade names, a good "thermal oil" (heat transfer fluid) is good at bulk temperature up to around 300 degC. There will be no "cooking off" of hydrocarbons at 120 deC.

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

11/14/2009 5:26 AM

I do not think that in Thermal oil is cooking the oil.

The oil here has job to receive the heat given by burner in Boiler and transfer to others media intended to be heat up.

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

01/14/2010 2:06 AM

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This is Slava Bagno from Ulsan office disturbs you....

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Best regards,

Slava

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Re: THERMAL OIL BOILER

12/10/2009 8:22 AM

Dear Engineers,

Appraise for your input and idea for my thermal oil Heater.

as per discussion here, I did solve the problem.

1. The Circulation Pump, Clearance of the mouth ring are beyond the limit of maker recomendation, after renewed the pressure increase but still drop at 120* C.

2. LO Analysis mention that water contain were High (0.1% by volume), by heating continously than water containt can be reduced to 0.01% by volume. now pressure drop at 170* C

3. Cleaning thoroughly the piping system and found Soot carbon about 80 ltr's .. meaning the Lub Oil experienced Overheat sometimes back.

4. Renewed the thermal Oil system with new thermal oil 1800 ltrs, the pressure drop at 190* C.

5. Renewed the Flow control at Thermal oil Heater which is install in seri to the Thermal Oil Boiler.. than Thermal oil can be heated to 215* C with Pressure maintain at 6 bar.

And the problem is solve and case close.

NOw can anybody give me info regarding this Flow control and give mw idea on it.

Best Regards and Thanks for your idea

Oky

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