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Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

11/10/2009 10:06 AM

We have Aux Boilers with design pressure of 25 bara for saturated steam. We have been using flat ring gaskets PN40 1.5 mm upto DN 300 and PN40 2mm above DN300 pipe joints. Basket material is Carbon fibre / elastomer. However the joints are frequently failing. Can someone suggest better quality gasket for such steam application.

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Re: Steam Joint Gasket failures

11/10/2009 11:32 AM

What is the maximum temperature and pressure of the steam?

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11/10/2009 11:43 AM

25 bar absolute. He's provided the pressure. Since the steam is saturated, he's also implied the temperature.

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11/10/2009 12:00 PM

In that case whatever is used, it must be able to withstand a temperature in excess of 221degC.

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11/10/2009 12:45 PM

As per post #2, temperature-compatibility seems to be only one of many factors

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Re: Steam Joint Gasket failures

11/11/2009 3:10 AM

....which is why the mode of failure needs a more adequate description.

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Re: Steam Joint Gasket failures

11/10/2009 11:36 AM

The joints are failing. Of course: the gaskets must surely be at fault! Especially if your mechanics are even going to the extent of properly (sic) "torquing" the bolts!

With all due respect, Sathilkar, you are not seeing the forest for the trees; there is much more to achieving joint integrity than having the "right" gasket. I would bet my goat's life on the fact that if all other aspects were considered and addressed, your present gasket spec is more than adequate.

Here are just a few of the things that you must keep in mind:

  • Since you've been experiencing "frequent" failures, there is now a likelihood that the flange surfaces have become wire-drawn (eroded by steam). This needs to be permanently corrected by in-situ machining or by outright replacement.
  • It's probably also possible that the flanges have rotated due to excessive tightening force. Most people's first reaction when encountering a leak is to grab a cheater bar or a bigger torque wrench and crank the nuts down in an attempt to staunch the leak - without any concern for excessive gasket extrusion, or bolt and flange yielding. This too would require the flanges either to be replaced or machined in place.
  • If the flanges aren't damaged, you'll need to make sure that they have the proper surface finish. Most gaskets need to "bite" into the serrations of the flange surface in order to properly seal.
  • I'm assuming that the correct bolt materials are being used. If not, you may be applying too much bolt load or not enough bolt load.
  • Speaking of bolt load, how are you tightening the bolts? Is there any control to your process or, do you use impact guns, have your mechanics hang off of long bars or, do you even go to the extent of using calibrated torque wrenches. It may be surprising to you that none of these are effective. Even the "proper" use of torque wrenches is grossly misleading and will most often not result in the required preload necessary for proper gasket seating.

I'm certain that you'll receive many recommendations from people suggesting their favourite gaskets. However, unless you look at all of the underlying issues, you'll probably end-up spending a lot of money, pulling your hair out in frustration and, still you'll be watching the wisps of steam blowing though your plant.

Good luck!

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Re: Steam Joint Gasket failures

11/10/2009 2:03 PM

It might be that they are not following the proper "Bolt Tightening Procedure.

They should check this web site and read all the data.

http://www.piping-designer.com/Bolt_Tightening_Procedure

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Re: Steam Joint Gasket failures

11/10/2009 2:35 PM

Hello PP,

Wow: Great new graphics! Unfortunately, this resource like so many others, falls well short in an attempt to provide a complete procedure: One can use calibrated torque wrenches to apply the proper torque in the correct pattern but, the bolts may be left too loose or, even too tight!

"Torque" isn't a metric of bolt tightness.

In order to ensure that the correct clamp load has been achieved, one must verify this. Basing it on the torque value is a blatant guess! Might as well consult the Oracles or throw some chicken bones

Proper clamp force can be verified by the measurement of a bolt's elongation after it's been tightened. Elongation is directly proportional to a fastener's load as long as it hasn't gone beyond yield. The torque to load relationship is, on the other hand, quite dubious.

If a bolt hasn't stretched sufficiently, more "torque" is applied. The fastener is loosened if the measured elongation is greater than expected. From this, it should be clear that whenever encountering a flange in which all the bolts have been "torqued to the same value, the alarm bells should go off

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

11/11/2009 1:54 AM

Hi Sathilkar,

My frined in Mumbai is mfg. gaskets suitable for high temp. He is supplying regularly to Mukund Steel. If you are interested then please send me message in inbox I will ask him to contact you.

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

11/11/2009 2:45 AM

we used to use flexitalic gaskets in flanges subject to frequent shock and heating and cooling (steam deck winches used only during times of refueling). Where we used flat gasket material, we would often coat them with a compound called "leak stop'--it was asbestos fiber mixed with grease, probably no longer available. But look around for gasket compound. Make sure you're drawing the bolts finger tight all around, then very gently go about a quarter turn on each bolt in a cross pattern until you can tighten no more with a six inch wrench (or to spec with a torque wrench, which for some reason I rarely saw in an engineering department on any ship). (Maybe they were quickly stolen and sold--they aren't cheap.) slowly bring up the pressure and temperature. Always open valves very gingerly when working with saturated steam--you'll always encounter a water hammer which will detroy many gaskets as it slams into pipe angles. If the problem is a single flange, you have probably accidentally bent the pipes so the flange isn't meeting squarely or, as someone mentioned, the flanges themselves might be worn down . Replace the pipes and the flanges. It's the only way. If you're encountering it with many pipes and flanges, then you should suspect that the gasket material or your installation are not up to spec. Another possibility, if this is a new problem: your gauge is no longer accurate and you're putting too much pressure on the line. replace the gauge and test it.

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

11/11/2009 4:17 AM

http://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/high-temperature-gaskets.html

http://www.thomex.com/oneclick/gaskets-33.html

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

11/11/2009 10:50 AM

Try Flexitallic Spiral Wound Gaskets, 304ss/Grafoil filler. CM @ Seal Science

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

11/17/2009 1:12 AM

as pressure is 25 bar , u should go for 600 class metallic spiral wound gaskets, nd make sure flanges are clean, and try to improve the pipe circuit by giving steam traps in it, coz condensate in lines tends to fail the weakest joint which is gasket

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09/19/2010 2:01 AM

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

10/01/2010 8:10 AM

For steam it is probably best to use a graphite gasket material. You can download a useful gasket material selector chart here http://www.ramgaskets.co.uk/uploads/Gasket_Materials_Selector.pdf.

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

10/01/2010 10:37 AM

Wake up and smell the roses: It's likely not just the gasket that's at fault. In fact, the existing gasket choice may be perfectly suitable!

Everybody has their favourite gasket to recommend. Unfortunately, unless the OP understands and addresses the root cause, he'll be continuously looking for a "better" gasket.

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Re: Gaskets for Steam Pipe Joints

06/14/2017 9:26 AM

Dear Mr.shathilkar,

A similar topic appeared, sometime back in cr4 forum and you can search in this forum and you will get a good amount of suggestions.

Since the pressure is 25 bar (you have mentioned 25 bara - bar itsrlf is in absolute pressure) you can use 3 MM or 5 MM copper sheet after annealing and it will serve the purpose.

Since melting temp. of copper is very high - and your super heated temp. of steam will be below 545 Deg.C ( I presume) you can use this joint any number of times, but when you remove it due to some reason, annaealing is very compulsory and you have to anneal it before use around 200 Deg.C

This practise is followed by many factories and works well.

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