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What is the English Word for This Machining Activity?

11/23/2009 12:45 PM

As a steam turbines repair guy I very often deal with machining activities during the outage of the steam turbine parts. The English language is not my mother tongue so sometimes, especially in technical area, it is hard for me to use proper word describing various processes. Reading, English technical books I try to improve my technical English but it is not so easy. Just now I would like to use your support.

It is very common that the turbine parts are deformed due to high temperature, steam pressure, tensions, etc. Certainly it is not the case for brand new parts but for those ones which have been in use since some period of the time. My question is: what english technical word is the best one to describe the machinig of some part to get rid off the deformation like run out, ovality, cone. The thickness of machined material is usually quite small ~0.05 - ~ 0.3 (mm).

I have found that "legalization" word is used for this activity but I do not feel it is right one or best one . What is your opinion?

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11/23/2009 1:06 PM

I call that "truing up" but, since I'm a hillbilly, English is not my native tongue either.

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11/23/2009 6:52 PM

Your answer calls for a GA.

It was right, but the hillbilly in you made you add the, "up".

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11/23/2009 7:21 PM

Yep, and, if you should drop by the shop for a QA check, I'd be glad to red up the place for you.

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11/23/2009 1:19 PM

Hello Squpek - please do this a favor & send a private message to Milo - you will be glad you did Milo

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11/23/2009 4:44 PM

Thanks for the referral CUTiger.

I replied to his email as follows:

The word "truing" is your best bet. Truing means "to make true," which implies not any particular process, but whatever needs to be done to get the parts back to spec. We use the words dressing to describe getting the surface of the grinding wheel just right; we also have to true the wheel for proper location and runout.

You might also want to say "restore to to dimensional and positional alignment" or "Restore to dimensional compliance" "Centering" might also be considered. But Truing means all of those things at once. I would say "truing." As in:

" These turbine blades are distorted, can you get a quote on having someone true them up to spec?"

"This rotor is out of true. We need to get it centered, balanced, and running true."

Here are some links that will show you how "true" is used as verb
and how "Truing" is done in Well, a bike shop. THE SAME IS TRUE IN INDUSTRY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoSgl3qiHU

Obviously linear type parts might merely need to be 'restraightened" but truing also conveys that message too.

Good luck and thanks for the question. I 'll find the original thread and paste this reply.

By the way, your English is quite good, I would have thought it likely that you were an native speaker from your typing., Maybe from Australia, NZ, or Canada, perhaps, but it was quite understandable as English.

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Re: The right English word for some machinig activity

11/23/2009 10:19 PM

Indeed! And excellent answer. Thanks also to Squpek for showing better care for the English language than many native speakers do.

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11/23/2009 1:31 PM

English is my only language and I too have many issues with its inconsistencies and workings.

Rules like spell it like it sounds, (unless of course it spelled differently) drive me nuts.

My English class teachers hated me because I questioned every rule that had a counter rule or exemption attached to it. Even the rules of proper sentence structure and grammar vary from region to region.

Overall its a language cobbled together from bits and pieces of countless other languages.

Just make up a technical sounding word to describe your problem and keep using it. Eventually everyone around you will start using it too and it will just become the correct word to define that condition!

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11/23/2009 2:26 PM

Thank you tcmtech. Your idea is brilliant but my intention is to use such word which would be understandable not only for my workmates but even for person from another country with one condition this person should be professionally linked with the same area like I am, otherwise we would not understand each other, however I think that all the time some additional explanation would be necessary because not only the language differences matter .... but let's try to define this the most suitable word, ok?

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11/23/2009 9:12 PM

I would still use the made up word myself. When the foreigners ask what it means just tell them what its referring too. The odds are they will quickly pick it up as well and start using it (far too much) since its a new word and they wont want to be the last ones out ther who don't know what it refers to.

Its how and why so much of our American English language is based on or derived from some other foreigner languages words and relative meanings.

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11/23/2009 2:42 PM

TVP is correct. Check the Wikipedia definitions for "truing" and you'll see it fits your description.

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11/23/2009 3:18 PM

My choice would be remedial machining, or remediation.

re·me·di·a·tion (r -m d - sh n). n. The act or process of correcting a fault or deficiency.

But, I too would defer to Milo.

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11/23/2009 4:31 PM

This isn't exactly what you asked, but for motor mounts, which were welded and thus warped, we would spec a little extra material and then designate a "skim cut". Maybe that helps, maybe not.

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11/23/2009 10:29 PM

Good answer, and arguably better than truing.

Truing is the objective, a skim cut is the process that gets you there. Another option is to do a weld material build up and then take skim cut to true up the bore. This might be done with a line boring aparatus.

How is that for hill billy English?

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11/23/2009 5:59 PM

One common term for this activity would be "Blueprinting" which implies that the equipment is brought back into factory specification or to optimum specification which may be tighter than the factory specification.

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11/23/2009 5:59 PM

In motor racing/engines the term "Balanced & Blueprinted" is used to describe the perfecting of a design beyond mass produced items tolerances.

To get as close to designers absolute specs. as possible.

To refine or "Tweak" to stringent guidelines.

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11/23/2009 10:13 PM

I would have gone with recondition that is the activity as the repairmen do with the machines as a whole.

http://www.answers.com/topic/recondition

verb

  1. To bring back to a previous normal condition: rebuild, reclaim, reconstruct, rehabilitate, reinstate, rejuvenate, renovate, restitute, restore. See help/harm/harmless.
  2. To make new or as if new again: furbish, re-create, refresh, refurbish, rejuvenate, renew, renovate, restore, revamp. Idioms: give a new look to. See help/harm/harmless, new/old.
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11/23/2009 10:59 PM

rectifying

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11/23/2009 11:47 PM

how about "reconditioning"?

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11/24/2009 2:16 AM

I'm 100% with Milo on this.

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11/24/2009 4:22 AM

I still insist on reconditioning . In machining industry, truing has just a bit different meaning, at least over here.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l475087717382h37/

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP0550205.html

and lot more (to prove the usage of the word)

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11/24/2009 6:32 AM

Reconditioning works. There is no "one right answer." Not in modern languages anyway.

My take of the OP's original sense was that he was bring the parts back to 'true', his use of the word 'legalizing' gave the sense of back to print/spec.

Reconditioning also works. It is also used more commonly to get things back to useable, as opposed to some 'specification.' around here reconditioned auto parts or reconditioned used cars are not back to spec, but they are workable.

Steve's original reconditioning answer also provides the OP with a suitable term to use.

Modern language. Modern problem. Why would we expect a SINGLE RIGHT ANSWER?

In the millls I have worked in there have been at least 4 different words for block and tackle: Chain fall, come along, block and tackle, manual hoist, and chain winch.

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11/24/2009 7:16 AM

rectification, refurbishment, repair

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11/24/2009 8:32 AM

I agree with Milo's description. I'm a machinist and this sounds spot on. Thumbs up all round buddy

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11/24/2009 2:09 PM

So... the word "truing" seems to fit to definition I wrote in my first post but when

" reconditioning" appeared I feel it better reflects what I think of, but as Milo wrote it does not have to be only one word with right meaning.

I will replace " legalization" with "reconditioning" as I have not felt nice with this first one.

Thank you Milo for your answer and compliments about my English ...

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11/24/2009 4:02 PM

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11/24/2009 6:11 PM

Legalization is certainly not the right term.. Reconditioning is a fine general term for returning a turbine to its design clearances and dimensions.

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11/25/2009 2:47 AM

Thanks .

The reconditioning- is the word we use regularly on both aspects-

- Our customers send our equipments back (after some 20 years of operation) for us to strip down, change bearings, correct(remachine, rebalance.... the rotating parts), check the residual lives and so on, in the end they want a new equipment (we too ) with minimal cost (we don't )

- We send our capital machines for the same with the same conditions as above (to grind/scrape guide ways, replace/repair spindles, replace the control ...)

truing up is something that are not exactly applicable- since we (or they) can not meet the original dimensions- material removal, deposits, change in components to suit the new dimensions especially the journals and the bearings is always involved where the salvage is possible.

What is attempted is to meet the original specification/ functional parameters.

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