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11/25/2009 12:47 PM

how much air pressure would it take to move water up a two inch tube.

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11/25/2009 12:55 PM

Take the weight of water, find the area inside the tube, determine your volume of water you wish to move, factor in gravity to find the force needed to push up on the water to counteract gravity. you will need a force just greater than this force. Then, you'll at least have a start on enough information to ask the question in a way to get a good answer.

But you need to keep in mind, that water is heavier than air, the air will not "push or move" the water unless you create a piston/seal to keep them separated, or you'll just have a nice bubbling tube. So your/were going to need to know a bit more...

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11/25/2009 1:31 PM

.433 PSI per foot of rise if you are pushing water.

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11/25/2009 6:27 PM

Just out of curiosity, what are your assumptions?

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11/26/2009 8:41 AM

.433 PSI=1 foot of head.

You are correct when you say, "But you need to keep in mind, that water is heavier than air, the air will not "push or move" the water unless you create a piston/seal to keep them separated, or you'll just have a nice bubbling tube."

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11/26/2009 10:22 AM

Take a knife and gently separate the skin from the breast meat;
Slide lemon halves under the skin with the peel side up, one on
each side.....

This is an engineering forum, not a "breast implant one"

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11/27/2009 9:22 AM

Just a little lemon zest.

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11/26/2009 4:02 AM

If you measure the pressure in inches of water, you don't need any maths.
The tube diameter is irrelevant, as the pressure is measured 'per square inch' .

E.G. 40 psi on a tube of 1inch section will exert 40pounds, but if you double the tube section, you have twice the weight of water, but you now have 80pounds of pressure as it was 40pounds per square inch and you have 2 square inches.
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11/27/2009 7:58 AM

The pressure needed is the depth of the water using the expression

P=ρgh,

where P is the pressure, ρ the density (which varies with salinity and temperature), g the acceleration due to gravity (which planet is this pipe on?) and h the height of the water column above the air inlet point.

That's physics.

How fast the water moves up the tube is a function of the tube diameter, the flowrate of air into the tube, the viscosity of the liquid, the temperature, etc., etc.

That's process engineering.

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11/27/2009 9:16 AM

Aliquot? is that anything like a brevquot...oh don't bother answering I'll look it up....
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11/27/2009 9:34 AM

Maybe you want this?

http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/ah810e/AH810E07.htm

See 3.9 Air lift pumps

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11/27/2009 2:16 PM

I prefer the turkey talk,almost smell that aroma.......

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11/27/2009 4:54 PM

Yep Leon and it seems you have to baste paste my link to get where I intended to send the ever curious Cat.

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