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Schedule Numbers for Piping

11/30/2009 12:36 AM

What is mean by schedule number in piping? why it is used to mention thickness? what is difference between 40 SCH and 40S SCH.

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11/30/2009 1:27 AM

Pipe schedule pertains to the wall thickness of the pipe, by convention or definition. There are schedules 5, 10, 20, 40, 80, and 160 (and maybe some less used ones in between). I understand there is a historical basis for these as to how much pressure they can contain, but I have never seen them calculated. Instead, you get this information from engineering books and pipe mfrs' literature, which typically give nominal pipe size, actual O.D., schedule number, and wall thickness. In the smaller sizes at least, Sch 40 is called standard; Sch 80 is XS (extra strong); Sch 160 is XXH (double extra strong). S40 and Sch 40 mean the same thing. I don't recall ever seeing 40S Sch; that seems like a redundant misprint.

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12/01/2009 7:07 AM

I have heard of schedule 40s this is simply schedule 40 in stainless stee,l standard.

schedule 40 would be for carbon steel. this is based on american standard B36.10

Also dimensional standard is (IPS) which stands for "Iron Pipe Size"

for example 3 inch IPS pipe O.D. is approx. 3.5 inches. with a .216 nom. wall.

there is also a schedule 30 which I like to use on fire protection mains which are normally schedule 10. with the MIC corrosion problems I stay away from the thin wall pipe.

I have over 45 years in the piping design field and have found Grinnell a good source for info over the years. If you know a good pipe fitter ( steam fitter) that person may have an extra pipe fitters hand book that will be most helpfull in piping sizes, pressure ratings etc.

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Re: Schedule Numbers for Piping

11/30/2009 11:21 PM

Schedule Number ≡ Pipe Thickness

Sch. 40 is denoted for Schedule Number 40 of Carbon Steel Pipes (see ASME B36.10M)

Sch. 40S is denoted for Schedule Number 40S of Stainless Steel Pipes (see the attached Table 2A of ASME B36.19)

Note. In piping documents (drawings, calculations, specifications, ... etc.) the Schedule Number can be abbreviated as Sch.

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Re: Schedule Numbers for Piping

12/01/2009 4:09 AM

Schedule Number is thickness of pipe.

Schedule is written as "SCH"

For stainless steel pipe suffix "S" used after schedule number to differentiate it for carbon steel pipe.

ASME 36.10 M (for carbon steel pipe)

In carbon steel pipe schedule number are as follow-

SCH10,SCH20,SCH30,SCH40,SCH60,SCH80,SCH100,SCH120,SCH140,SCH160.(Total 10 Nos)

ASME 36.19 M (for stainless steel pipe)

In stainless steel pipe schedule number are as follow-

SCH5S,SCH10S,SCH40S,,SCH80S,(Total 4 nos.)

SCH40 and SCH40S has same thickness except for 12" pipe.

SCH80 and SCH80S has same thickness except for 10" and 12" pipe.

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12/01/2009 5:23 AM

Just a history lesson. Many many 'Engineers' do not understand that a 1" BSP or R25 in foreign, has an OD to match the OD of schedule pipe. BS4 (really old) defined gas piping (household gas) by bore and gave rise to the BSP thread (British Standard Pipe Thread) which became the world standard. Later the wall thicknesses were developed for higher pressures by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) specifically for the Oil Process Industry and including sufficient corrosion allowances to give outdoor service life of many years. Inspection and Paint treatments followed on. The more modern, and lighter, European standard PN16 for example, were targetted at less material, and shorter outdoor life, to give an economic piping system for industrial process piping where good maintenance and modern painting/galvanising etc systems can give equivalent service life. PN is not compatible with ANSI or the much older BS10 flange systems that each have their own bolt pitch circle and number of bolts arrangement. The only common factor is that they all work with nominal inch pipe sizes even though PN prefer to give their flanges a metric 'name' (100:PN16 = 4":PN16). NPT is the American version of BSP pipe threads which are very similar but not compatible. Even the modern ThinWall (trademark?) systems have not been able to standardise though 'truebore' seems to be gaining popularity with the id being 100 and the wall thickness wrapped around that true bore. These are usually Stainless Steel and can be cost effective against schedule pipes, particularly ANSI's heavier system. Apologies for the history lesson, based on failing memory, but I hope this helps to put things in context. With International Instrumentation Suppliers trying to standardise between these standards the piping scheduler, and draughtsmen will continue to have to cope with this multitude of standards.

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12/01/2009 7:32 AM

Dear Amoiz,

40 SCH - The word Schedule refers to the wall thickness of the pipe.

As the schedule no increases the wall thickness and the weight of the pipe increases.

40 S SCH- S- refers to the Stainless pipes

Rest the no without suffix for ex 10, 40 ,80 refers to the welded and seamless wrought steel pipe.

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12/02/2009 6:22 PM

Hi, Schedule Numbers for piping is used for expressing the thicknesses of pipes as the same NPS has a different thicknesses and about the difference between the schs 40 and 40s, S means Seamless for any certifications don't hesitate to ask Best Regards Mostafa M. Farid

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12/02/2009 6:27 PM

S not stands for Stainless Steel but stands for Seamless i'm sure of that

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12/03/2009 3:20 AM

The snap below is from ANSI B16.9 shows suffix "s" used for differentiate between stainless and carbon steel pipe.

Both welded and seamless pipe are available for stainless steel pipe.

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12/03/2009 4:30 AM

Good Answer Lahane82, with my GA.

And Mostafa Farid is kindly requested to verify his acknowledgement where he said: "S not stands for Stainless Steel but stands for Seamless i'm sure of that".

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12/03/2009 4:45 AM

Dear Galala,

Thanks you for your appreciation.

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12/07/2009 10:12 AM

dear sirs,

s stands for seamless as per API 5L marking requirement , it is also stands for stainless as per ANSI B36.19 , it depends on what standard you are refering to,both Mr, Mostafa & Mr lahan are right

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01/07/2010 12:54 AM

hello out there, what I have noticed between "s" as standard schedule and schedule 40 in particular is the wall thickness which remains the same until you reach 12" pipe. I have also noticed when purchasing larger pipes 12" and above for water delivery systems to be welded or grooved that standard schedule more then meets the specs and is much cheaper resulting in cutting cost's.

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01/07/2010 12:57 AM
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[6]

Wall Thickness
inches (millimeters)
SCH 40sSCH 40SCH 60SCH 80sSCH 80SCH 100SCH 120SCH 140SCH 160
100.365 in (9.271 mm)0.365 in (9.271 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.593 in (15.062 mm)0.718 in (18.237 mm)0.843 in (21.412 mm)1.000 in (25.400 mm)1.125 in (28.575 mm)
120.375 in (9.525 mm)0.406 in (10.312 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.687 in (17.450 mm)0.843 in (21.412 mm)1.000 in (25.400 mm)1.125 in (28.575 mm)1.312 in (33.325 mm)
140.375 in (9.525 mm)0.437 in (11.100 mm)0.593 in (15.062 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.750 in (19.050 mm)0.937 in (23.800 mm)1.093 in (27.762 mm)1.250 in (31.750 mm)1.406 in (35.712 mm)
160.375 in (9.525 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.656 in (16.662 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.843 in (21.412 mm)1.031 in (26.187 mm)1.218 in (30.937 mm)1.437 in (36.500 mm)1.593 in (40.462 mm)
180.375 in (9.525 mm)0.562 in (14.275 mm)0.750 in (19.050 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.937 in (23.800 mm)1.156 in (29.362 mm)1.375 in (34.925 mm)1.562 in (39.675 mm)1.781 in (45.237 mm)
200.375 in (9.525 mm)0.593 in (15.062 mm)0.812 in (20.625 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)1.031 in (26.187 mm)1.280 in (32.512 mm)1.500 in (38.100 mm)1.750 in (44.450 mm)1.968 in (49.987 mm)
240.375 in (9.525 mm)0.687 in (17.450 mm)0.968 in (24.587 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)1.218 in (30.937 mm)1.531 in (38.887 mm)1.812 in (46.025 mm)2.062 in (52.375 mm)2.343 in (59.512 mm)
NPS

[6]

Wall Thickness
inches (millimeters)
SCH 40sSCH 40SCH 60SCH 80sSCH 80SCH 100SCH 120SCH 140SCH 160
100.365 in (9.271 mm)0.365 in (9.271 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.593 in (15.062 mm)0.718 in (18.237 mm)0.843 in (21.412 mm)1.000 in (25.400 mm)1.125 in (28.575 mm)
120.375 in (9.525 mm)0.406 in (10.312 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.687 in (17.450 mm)0.843 in (21.412 mm)1.000 in (25.400 mm)1.125 in (28.575 mm)1.312 in (33.325 mm)
140.375 in (9.525 mm)0.437 in (11.100 mm)0.593 in (15.062 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.750 in (19.050 mm)0.937 in (23.800 mm)1.093 in (27.762 mm)1.250 in (31.750 mm)1.406 in (35.712 mm)
160.375 in (9.525 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.656 in (16.662 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.843 in (21.412 mm)1.031 in (26.187 mm)1.218 in (30.937 mm)1.437 in (36.500 mm)1.593 in (40.462 mm)
180.375 in (9.525 mm)0.562 in (14.275 mm)0.750 in (19.050 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)0.937 in (23.800 mm)1.156 in (29.362 mm)1.375 in (34.925 mm)1.562 in (39.675 mm)1.781 in (45.237 mm)
200.375 in (9.525 mm)0.593 in (15.062 mm)0.812 in (20.625 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)1.031 in (26.187 mm)1.280 in (32.512 mm)1.500 in (38.100 mm)1.750 in (44.450 mm)1.968 in (49.987 mm)
240.375 in (9.525 mm)0.687 in (17.450 mm)0.968 in (24.587 mm)0.500 in (12.700 mm)1.218 in (30.937 mm)1.531 in (38.887 mm)1.812 in (46.025 mm)2.062 in (52.375 mm)
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