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Cold Plasma

12/03/2009 4:02 PM

Dear sirs- Is it possible to produce plasma by using mechanical power in a relatively low temperature process?

My idea is to do it through focusing combusting hydrogen jets from the inner side of a ring, the jets will collide at the center ,as a result of collision's impact they will smash the water molecules that should be created through the hydrogen's combustion, and this power should split the atoms to electron and ions, all this without raising the temperature beyond the normally combustion's temperature!

Basically I claim that the heat isn't necessary to split the atoms to electrons and ions, we need energy to do it, and the same as a hammer will smash a crystal, without heat increase, I believe that the same can be achieved to atoms by relatively low temperature.

I am aware that if the electrons will be not immediately eliminated far away,they will join togethet the ions to form again atoms , and water molecules.

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12/03/2009 6:51 PM

Dear sirs- Is it possible to produce plasma by using mechanical power in a relatively low temperature process?

To my knowledge, no.

What exactly are you trying to achieve? Have you tried a search of the internet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

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12/03/2009 7:34 PM

Sounds like another over-unity idea. Your idea basically is the same as an atom smasher, and those consume vast amounts of energy to operate. You could experiment with it I suppose, but my advice to you is that it probably won't work.

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12/03/2009 9:46 PM

>>>'...Basically I claim that the heat isn't necessary to split the atoms to electrons and ions, we need energy to do it, and the same as a hammer will smash a crystal, without heat increase, I believe that the same can be achieved to atoms by relatively low temperature'...<<<

There are many ways that you can potentiate increased numbers of ions and cations. Remember that heat is a type of kinetic energy, and that using mechanical force to separate an electron will result in greater heat.

It would really help if you state clearly what you want the ions or plasma for... I mean if you just want ions, water already has OH- and H3O+ always contained therein, if you want more ions, then raise the temp a little, or maybe just add salt. If you want a cheap highly available plasma generating device, look no further than a flourescent lamp.

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12/04/2009 6:26 AM

I am afraid not. First of all molecules of gas will be moving randomly in all directions even in a directed jet. The average velocity will be related to the temperature. Any collision between such molecules will be elastic. There is no way one can reach the energies required to strip the molecules of the electrons in a mechanical jet.

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12/04/2009 8:35 AM

"Basically I claim that the heat isn't necessary to split the atoms to electrons and ions, we need energy to do it, and the same as a hammer will smash a crystal, without heat increase, I believe that the same can be achieved to atoms by relatively low temperature."

Heat is a form of energy. It sounds like you're just replacing heat energy with kinetic energy. How much energy are you talking about? It may be much cheaper and easier to produce the heat than kinetic energy.

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12/04/2009 9:03 AM

Dear Cingold- Getting a temperature of about 20000 c degrees,isn't that easy!

This is why I suggested to focus many heat sources.

But Bioramani explained well why my idea is wrong!

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02/14/2010 6:41 AM

You can use one mechanical compression method of Ultrasound waves thru water in a focused manner to create localized plasma in a trapped gas cavity. However, Plasma particles are never cold. Perhaps you can do it in a cold water above 0C and below your body temperature.

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02/15/2010 7:01 AM

Thank you professor Shyam.

I'll try to see if I can make a good use of this technology.

By the way do you know Ramani Aswath from Begalore?

He helps me a lot.

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02/15/2010 8:13 AM

It is well known experiment and sometime misunderstood or named as cold fusion glow.

I am not in touch with any such person you have listed. I am in North India right now and with very negligible public interaction.

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