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Impact Tests for Pressure Vessels

12/10/2009 8:15 AM

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In Pressure Vessels Design acc. to ASME Sec VIII Div.1

1.what is the criteria to go for impact test? Is there any Impact test requirement based on the thickness?

2. What is the criteria to go PWHT?

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Re: Impact Tests for Pressure Vessels

12/10/2009 10:13 AM

I wrote a program in excel that has impact stress on the lugs using ASME specs.........I actually think I came across it here on CR4.

If your interested, email end me your personal email. I'l sent it to you.

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12/10/2009 11:07 PM

Can you please share this excel programme to me as well, I am also intrested in this subject.

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Re: Impact Tests for Pressure Vessels

12/11/2009 11:33 AM

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12/10/2009 11:58 PM

Please send on e-mail ID y_pal@in.com

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12/12/2009 12:23 PM

I am intrested and please send the data to my mail sd610@rediffmail.com

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Re: Impact Tests for Pressure Vessels

12/10/2009 11:42 PM

when the MDMT, specified as per your service condition, becomes warmer than rated MDMT, calculated as per UCS-66 of ASME section Div(1), then impact test is required. You may go through the code as there are exemptions for imacr testing despite of the above said indication.

For PWHT requirement, plaese go through UCS-56 of ASME section VIII Div (1)

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12/11/2009 1:14 AM

• Each material is characterized by a limit of use at higher temperatures, where you can't apply that material at that higher temperature. The mechanical properties of any material like as tensile, elongation, ... etc. are affected as the the temperature increased.

Also, each material is characterized by the lower temperature which we called it by MDMT where the mechanical properties such as brittle fracture are affected with low and very low temperatures. And you are not allowed to use that material at design temperature lower than its MDMT.

• The MDMT depends mainly on Type of Material (P No. & Group No.) and its Thickness. Where increasing the thickness will increase the MDMT of the material. For example may be you have a material belong to Curve C with thickness 1" have a MDMT -5 oF, where when you use the same material (the same curve) but with thickness 2", you can find that its MDMT becomes 25 oF.

Suppose that the design conditions indicate that your system will subjected to a lowering in temperature up to MDMT -5 oF, so you are allowed to use the material with lower thickness (1" & MDMT -5 oF) without applying any impact test. If you use the higher thickness (2" & MDMT 25 oF) where its MDMT is higher than the design MDMT of the whole system, in this case you have to apply the impact test to tha material of higher thickness and the test must be applied at -5 oF or lower .

Very important note. The impact test must be specified in your material requisition and the mill test certificates shall be submitted, also the WPS's & PQR's must include the requirements for that impact test.

• See CR4 Threads: Minimum Design Metal Temperature (MDMT), Impact Test & SA 516 Grade 70 Steels.

• Download the following file for calculation of MDMT as per ASME VIII, Division 1: MDMT_Calculations_for_a_Pressure.

• See Fig. UCS-66 Impact Test Exemption Curves as per ASME code, Section VIII, Division 1.

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12/11/2009 5:02 AM

Dear Sir,

Thanks a lot for your crisp & correct answer. I require further guidance in Vessel topic. Will mail you as & when required.

Thanks a lot,

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01/01/2010 11:27 PM

Dear Sir

Your reply has really helped us to understand the subject in a better way. We have two numbers of old LPG Spheres fabricated during 1981-83 using A 516 Grade 70 material. During that time design temperature requirement was defined as -5 to 55 deg C. We are planning to dismantle and relocate the same to some other needy location but at present design tempretaure requirement is stipulated as -27 to 55 deg C. As per the Imact Test Exemption curves ,A 516 can withstand temp upto -27 to -28 deg C.

Query-1-Sphere was already been subjected to Hydrotest after every five years and once PWHT was carried out after bottom crown modification during 2004. Considering the above is it sufficient to conduct Imact test alone to certify the sphere material fit for relocation or any additonal tests also to be conducted.

Query -2-Sphere was fabricated with deisgn pressure 19.25 Kg/cm2 but present requirement is 14.5 Kg/cm2. Whether we can calcualte minimim thickness requirement based on the new design pressure without defining corresponding MDMT?

Query -3- Whether material can be certified confirming to A 516 based on the old reports obtained along with the supply of material without considering the amendments occured to A 516 (almost 25 times since adoption) or fresh mechanical, chemical tests are required to confirm to A 516 std.

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01/30/2010 6:25 AM

• See Fig. UCS-66 Impact Test Exemption Curves as per ASME code, Section VIII, Division 1.

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01/28/2012 8:31 AM

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02/11/2012 6:51 AM

suppose i have material used it at lower temperature system .

what are methods to applied for not using impact test? such as heat treatment,....etc

how applied it to used a material without impact test?

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02/11/2012 11:10 AM

Dear khaled el sayed,

The impact test is needed only if the min. design metal temp. of the material obtained from the curve Fig. UCS-66 (or Table UCS-66) and Curve Fig. UCS-66.1 and calculation as per Fig. UCS-66-2 is found higher than the MDMT of the system, otherwise the impact test is exempted.

Fig. UCS-66.1 Reduction in Minimum Design Metal Temperature Without Impact Testing.

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• FIG. UCS-66.2 Diagram of UCS-66 Rules for Determining Lowest Minimum Design Metal Temperature (MDMT) Without Impact Testing.

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Re: Impact Tests for Pressure Vessels

12/11/2009 10:40 AM

Dear Abdel Sir,

Thanks for ur wonderful effort sir,

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04/22/2010 3:08 AM

hi this is shiva in chennai. My mail id is ksp.shivan@gamil.com. I am also in Static equipment like (Pressure vessel and Heat excahnager). If you Have interest join our group.

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