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Why are Multiple Load Cells Used in Weighing Systems?

12/21/2009 10:27 AM

Why sometimes 3 to 4 loadcells used in a weighing system to measure the weight instead of using a single loadcell?

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Re: Why sometimes 3 to 4 loadcells used in a weighing system

12/21/2009 1:30 PM

One reason is to enable you to measure the Center of Pressure.

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Re: Why sometimes 3 to 4 loadcells used in a weighing system

12/21/2009 2:03 PM

Another reason is that it can be difficult to balance the mass to be weighed evenly on a single loadcell (causing measurement errors or even mechanical loadcell damage).

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Re: Why are Multiple Load Cells Used in Weighing Systems?

12/21/2009 5:07 PM

3 or 4 LCs platform may sustain to greater load no matter where (and how) weight is put on platform, but there could be some problems connected to its adjustment due to the mech system is statically undetermined.

There's an advanced design with so-called "single point" weighing system using only one LC in. But application of this is restricted due to known problems (a risk of damage and errors caused "out of center loading" include).

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Re: Why are Multiple Load Cells Used in Weighing Systems?

12/21/2009 10:37 PM

Think about it. If you had one load cell you would need some way of balancing the load. So would two. Three is a little better and four seems to be what they use to weight products on rectangular platforms

With 4 on a scale, each one can to be smaller and the weight can be summed, and there is never a balance problem.

the most common place I see single load cells is when they are on a crane cable or magnet crane cable, as you can weigh a load quite easily on a sling like that.

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Re: Why are Multiple Load Cells Used in Weighing Systems?

12/22/2009 12:05 AM

Thank you aurizon.

I'll think of that as you've suggested. I've been thinking of maybe too much though. As it's in some uncanny way's presumed to be my work's duty to deal with all this LCs stuff.

You too have a look at . These are single point LCs which might be applied for scale with only one LC inside. No problem with "balancing" et al. For sure your nearest grocery has one.

When I'm talking of balancing problem which might be brought in even with two-LC platform I mean the problem to have them equivalently loaded(preloaded), it's not that trivial thing to implement as could be figured.

kind regards and have a nice day,

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12/22/2009 12:44 AM

yes, I have seen the small scales with a single load cell that take a lever mechanism and bring it to a single point load cell.A friend of mine owns a scrap yard and has a 5 tonne drive on scale that has 4 load cells and a wire harness. It is about 4 inches high, flat on the ground. It might be that scales that have space for the lever mechanism can use a single cell and the places where you are dimensionally limited, you use multipoint cells?

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12/22/2009 10:11 AM

On web-link I've referred you has shown parallelogram design of LC. LC is tightly bolted to frame through beneath while weighing platform is bolted upside. No need of any lever. Clear sheared beam which sensetive only to weigh of material - no matter where it put on platform(theoretically at least). Nothing applied like friction, prisms, moving surfarces, fulcrum joints etc.

I'm using any kind of LC's in my reach from ring strain gauge to mentined parallelogram - single and multipoint.

yeah, mobile weighing platform for trucks's looking plain cute or plain and cute at a time.

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12/22/2009 10:33 AM

Three is trivial. Four requires effort, but it's commonly done. I've shimmed them, floated them in grout, and used mechanical take-ups. Here's a link to how one company deals with this.

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12/22/2009 11:13 AM

Thank you in advance.

It's very interesting link to look at. I'd agree the three is a trivial and much seamless approach for unless we encountered a real design issues. For plate-to-ball force received devices it's obvious (for instance having LCs looking like a tablet)- agreed, three is actually very good.

But since having used any beam like LC where platform is tightly bolted to, there're a lot of adverse factors' appearing on stage.

When beam is deformed/deflected in vertical/orthogonal direction it's gonna be "shorter" in horizontal plane plus uncounted torque moments. So we should guarantee zero relative movements between points where platform is bolted to LCs. But actually we shouldn't.

By temperature caused deformation might be a problem as well as inevitable errors in assembling.

That's why single-point decision looks promising. It's looked at least at recent past. It's not a perfectness in real life though. Was compelled to agree here too.

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12/22/2009 8:48 AM

The load is never placed on the center of the platform. The scale adds up what it reads to give you a single number.

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12/22/2009 10:09 AM

Follow the link

to an example of single point load cell application

not only a single cell it is on a conveyor

Even though its a single point there are actually 4 cells set up as a bridge to improve accuracy.

I wonder if the single point application at the scrap yard is similar?

The scales I have seen at the grocery check out use a similar configuration

the 4 cells with in the unit are oriented in different ways to give you the accuracy, uncentered loads are automatically compensated for in this manner

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12/22/2009 10:02 PM

A flat bed 4 cell unit is much simpler mechanically, and less troublesome to maintain.A single cell unit has a complicated pivoting and load-sharing construction, and all pivot points can incur wear, affecting accuracy.

A single cable type can work with one load cell, because the load is automatically centered by the cable itself.

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12/23/2009 1:30 AM

I have already seen some pretty near to good answers here, but the point is that accuracy is far greater with multiple cells, and the cost is a lot less. One single cell to carry ,say, 100 tons will be large and cumbersome and difficult to install and secure. Whereas 4 units of 25 t each will do the same job with greater accuracy and as a bonus a load can be placed anywhere on the table. Suspended loads operate fine from a single cell, but even here multiple cells will work better, like square bins hanging from its corners.

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Re: Why are Multiple Load Cells Used in Weighing Systems?

12/27/2009 10:20 AM

If you have one live load cell and two dummy load cell for bin weighing, it will not always give accurate reading. Consider the case of solid material in a bin. If the material filling is uneven (at one side higher level then other side) in the bin, the load is not evenly distributed evenly to all three load cell. This may generate the error. Accuracy is obtained only if bin is filled uniformly. With two live load cells and one or two dummy loadcells, situation can be improved. But maximum accuracy can be achieved only if all three or four load cells are live. I hope I have make you clear. -Sandip Patel

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Re: Why are Multiple Load Cells Used in Weighing Systems?

12/29/2009 6:23 AM

Consider the mechanical difficulty of balancing an inverted cone on a single loadcell, then. The arrangement is metastable, any disturbing force making the cone topple.

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