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Heating Element

01/20/2010 8:34 PM

My father owns a building that employs and intercom system. The intercom unit sits outside, and during the winter, such as now, the temperatures get so low that it stops working. Therefore, the tenants cannot allow their guests in the building. Last year, I purchased a device from the manufacturer which heats up the unit when it reaches below -5C. Basically it is a thermocouple that activates the device, and a resistive element that produces the heat. However, the device does not work well at all. I was thinking of using the thermocouple on the device to activate a heating lamp of some sort. Also, if there another idea someone may have to correct the problem, please let me know.

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01/20/2010 9:17 PM

"However, the device does not work well at all."

The device does not heat the intercom enough? Is this what you mean by "not work?" Can you be more specific?

Can you post the heater's specs here?

What is the heater doing that differs from what it's supposed to be doing? Example: the heater is supposed to raise the interior temperature of the intercom box by 15 °C but is actually raising it by only 5 °C.

Can you supply photo(s) of the heater, as installed, and post them here?

Have you informed the manufacturer?

The more info you supply, the better the answer you will get.

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01/21/2010 10:28 PM

Install a bell.

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01/21/2010 11:34 PM

Like europium said, give us more facts, and we can help better. The light may be a good idea. You might consider a soft plastic cover over the button area, just expose the speaker. Check the voltage requirement of the heater, make sure it is getting enough power.

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01/22/2010 1:58 AM

Taki R

There are many thermostatically controlled heating elements on the market that are used to prevent gutters, downspouts and water pipes that are exposed to the weather from freezing. They typically plug into a standard power outlet and use an element that is in the form of a flat tape that wraps around whatever you want to protect from freezing. It should be relatively easy to adapt one of these to your application. Ed

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01/22/2010 2:46 AM

Hello I would check why the intercom is not working.

It might be moisture on the PCB which prevents the operation. Then you can do what all carmakers do with their electronics - take a clear resin based / isolating paint and spraypaint the electronics board from both sides to prevent leakage currents. There are special products out there - inquire at radio repair shops or electronic components shops.

This migth save heaters and assure operation as well as prevent corrosion. But be careful do not spray over the contacts of switches. Here it is might be a good recommendation to replace the (corroding) simple contacts normally delivered with a solution based on a little magnet, a spring and a reed contact - worked fine in my house since many years

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01/22/2010 5:24 AM

u have a good idea but i think u should build a compartment for ur device and use hot air blower with the same temprature control system. pls. note the selected temperature should be within the acceptable range of the equipment.

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01/22/2010 8:40 AM

This is faulty device.

High end electronic devices which is MIl standard certified works from -65C to 150C without an issue. Commercially certified deviced needs to work from -25C to 125C and I do not think temperature out side is that low.

This may have to do with quality issue and your father may have taken on ride by the guy who sold this piece of garbage to your dad.

Quick solution if you know which part is effected by cold then use thermal ribbon if you have room or use quartz bulb to heat.

It will be hard to say what and how to do

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Re: Heating Element

01/22/2010 11:13 PM

Masyood said

" ............. needs to work from -25C to 125C." I seriously doubt that - a lot of the plastics used in electronics would not even survive 100C (water boiling point) . Even large AC Motors are typically rated for a temperature rise of 40C over ambient ( some higher some less depending on the insulation class). I think that you are in error. As far as your -25 and -65C claims go you are wrong here also because many LCD displays will freeze and will shatter and many batteries used for memory preservation in electronic devices will not deliver the rated voltage at very low ambients and could also freeze depending on their chemistry. I would like to know if his intercom is hard wired into a power source or is it one of the "el cheapo" wireless battery powered types. If it is battery powered he is experiencing a voltage drop because of the cold weather. The voltage is below the minimum needed to operate the device if this is the case. Edmund

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01/23/2010 5:47 PM

85/85 is standard test for plastic and for high end plastic circuits they need to pass -25 to 125 C thermal cycle. You cam buy adhesives from any of electronic adhesive manufacturers who can provide you polymeric paste and FR-$ substrate both will meet this requirements

Few company like Global applied Materials in India, Lord Corporation in USA, Able Stick in Germany and Shoie in Japan can provide conductor, resistor and dielectric ink to meet the requirements

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01/22/2010 8:49 AM

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01/22/2010 2:33 PM

Europium is correct: you must tell us more.

Most of these types of things are available in two versions: Interior, and Exterior. The difference should be apparent, but I have had many customers specify interior equipment, and then install exposed to rain, cold, blown dust, snow... (unprotected equipment is cheaper) When (inevitable) failure occurs, the customer is unhappy warranty service is unavailable, due to improper use of item. I am not saying this is your case, but without more information...

Most of these things have been around (in one version or another) for several years. Some items actually have had three product revisions in one year! It is possible the intercom station is a version not intended to ever have a heater, but you installed one anyway. I am not saying this is your case, but without more information...

This intercom system... Voice? Does it employ an open format (like ordering at the drive-thru), or is the telephone handset type? Or, is simply a doorbell station with one per apartment? Are you certain the trouble is with the user interface station, and not the logic controller? You tell us it stops working... There are many functions (Doorbell, Voice Intercom, Video, credential recognition, remote release) what does it stop doing?

We shall all wait for you.

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01/22/2010 8:35 PM

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01/25/2010 7:57 PM

Try installing a 4 watt night light bulb under the electronics panel.Just enough heat to keep it dry and warm, or another bulb of your chosen wattage sufficient to do the job.

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03/21/2010 10:00 PM

If you have 12 volt in that intercom, just mount a 10w auto bulb and let it run during the winter. I think that's the easiest way to fix it. Good luck. Stefan

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