Safe Foundation?

out of my skills-set. but what is the seismic zone

p911

GA for Stewie! I could say it any better or shorter! RIGHT ON THE MONEY & TO THE POINT!!!!!

I have to agree with you Stewie whole heartedly on this one! Appears to me that this fool Rudra, by his starting of construction without knowing the design loads, structural design and analysis calculations completed, geotechnical survey and report not on hand, and no approved construction drawings is surely doing things quite ass-backwards and a danger to his fellow human beings.

By the way, where on earth are you located Rudra? Hasn't the devastation wrought in Haiti by the Earthquake sunk into your head. Will it ever? WHEN THE NEWS IS ON TV, I DARE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE EYES OF THE DEAD AND NOT SHUDDER TO THINK YOU COULD BE BUILDING A STRUCTURE THAT WILL CRUMBLE IN THE NEXT EARTHQUAKE OR MONSOON!

DO YOU EVEN WATCH THE WORLD NEWS????? What you are doing is EXACTLY what those poor souls did for years on the Island of Haiti without effective building codes and construction oversight.....THEY BUILT SHODDY STRUCTURES JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING NOW!

kEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING BY CONSTRUCTING THAT BUILDING AND YOU ARE EVENTUALLY CONDEMING THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE OCCUPYING IT TO DEATH OR SERIOUS MAIMING!!!!!!

Rudra, please hire both of these professionals: A Licensed & Registered Architect and a Licensed & Registered Structural Engineer THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. OBVIOUSLY, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING BY CONSTRUCTING THAT BUILDING PLUS YOU ARE A DANGEROUS PERSON.....A REAL MENACE TO YOUR FELLOW MAN AND YOUR SOCIETY. There's no excuse for be a cheap son of a bitch and cutting corners (like you are) when lives are a stake!

Enough said.

How do you know that the design for the structure wasn't done by an engineer? What if Rudar is the poor construction manager who is stuck put it up knowing something doesn't look right but hoping that engineer did his job right work?

There isn't a whole lot of information to go on except the dimensions of the structure. As said before was a soil study done? Type of concrete proposed to be used? What is the structure for parking garage, apartment building, etc.? Location it is being built? The list could go on. This kind of question can't be answered on this type of form. There is just to many unanswered variables.

But replies like the two above are uncalled for considering you only have a small bit of the information to go off of and yet you are making a judge meet call. As an engineer you should at least be try to asked the questions or lead the blogger in the right direction. I'd say you reaction was very unprofessional.

don't really know,waiting for feedback.

But you have to realize if it was done by and engineer whats the problem with the reply, and if it wasn't.

This is a very critical issue, I can see it even without being well verse in structure or civil engineering

And lastly, as far is whether it was done or wasn't done, by an competent engineer, how do you know it was?

Engineering is not easy, there is alot of resoponsibility that comes with it. Whether or not an engineer or not. one has to point out the consiquences BECAUSE, he did NOT give enough information as an engineer. Its to critical to asseme.

Let the cuddling or babysitting be done on another site, this is important. Not to the poster, but the people inside that will be using this building........understand?

p911

I understand completely as a field engineering in road and bridge construction I get stuck with "desk" engineer design work where they have no idea the field conditions. That's where my job comes in to question the design make adjustments to get the project done right and safe.

But any way I still feel: first of all this question should not have been asked with out further information and this venue is not structured really to do that without looking at everything. Second there still is no reason to make an ass out of someone. I don't know why he came here for help. Do you? Maybe asking internally really wasn't the way to go. He/she seems to have some construction experience enough to question the safety even being under pressure to produce a the structure. Here in America I feel it's a little easier to ask this questions then maybe in other counties where is have literally a gun to your head.

I don't know why he came here for help. Do you?

IMO lack of confidence, and the reasons are suspicious.

One thing that I have found, were even I develop a sharp cutting response, is even in this country, if a situation like this arises, question the competence. And make the presentation strong to get across the severity of the matter.

If the issue of the problem is incompetence. he should be scared.

If he is competent, he will reply. may be insulted, he may be embarrassed, but he will reply. because he realizes that the issue is not getting the building built, its have the building safe after its built. This is out of my skills-set but if I gave the lack of information, I appreciate this being pointed out, and am mostly embarrassed that I did not do it initially.

Its nothing personal, its just that some of us are more sensitive to others that take safety lightly, as well as preformance.....probally because we have seen a lack of inaction or not enough action against incompetence or have seen the results of incompetance....all for the sake of being nice.

I like to think that this is still professional, because it is on an engineering web site.

On a side note, I have wondered if man is only given so much patience, and when that patience is gone, its.....gone.

I can see showing patiences inexperiences or subordinates, they have to learn. but this seemingly is process well underway.

still on a side note.........if I could go back in time..........in 1980 and make the same scene to avoid this....

p911

I agree with you 100%. We should point out that there is something wrong with the way it was presented/worded, and the lack of information. I for one should not talk about being patient either, but I'm learning. Having to spend Thanksgiving and Christmas in the Hospital and rehab for a heart attack stress related, was a quick way to learn.

I'm not saying this about you, but directing it to others. I still think it's bad form on our part in the engineering community and in this forum, to poke fun at and down grade someone for concerns and questions they are expressing. This person now instead of asking further questions and learning something, may turn their back on a valuable tool. It would be better to direct that person so you don't end up with poor engineer and safety issues, or to simply not write anything at all.

I'm sorry about your health issues,,, I have experience the similar. And I feel its from being too patient not to insult another professional when I believe what he did or is doing is wrong. and turns out it was. Came to pick up and old addach...its better to be safe than sorry.

But once its pointed out.....move on, don't continue to grind it into the dirt......that would be unprofessional.

True we should not have them afraid to a point that they hope the problem solves itself. Be in this case, I think we will hear from the OP.

I'm not saying this about you, but directing it to others.

I'm not right all the time either, and if I do cross the line, I appreciate being corrected. may be embarrassed but still appreciates it.

p911

sorry about the previous post quality.......have to remember ....spell check

Since I'm the "official problem solver" in our company. My stress comes from constantly losing my patient and after time it was over every little thing. I might have erupted in a similar way.

But I think if like you did in your first post let the quest know that what was given to us was in adequate and that he needs to give out better information was the way to go.

I'm afraid that the way the other posters handled a first time guest without knowing most of the facts may have chased that guest away.

To quote:" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING BY CONSTRUCTING THAT BUILDING PLUS YOU ARE A DANGEROUS PERSON.....A REAL MENACE TO YOUR FELLOW MAN AND YOUR SOCIETY. There's no excuse for be a cheap son of a bitch and cutting corners (like you are)".

Is that how we as a community want to be known? Hopefully he/she is smart enough to go to another venue for help with all the necassary information.

Wow Captain, It was a great response and expressed my emotions to the letter! It was rated as off topic by someone. I think it is on the topic and it hit the nail right on the head.

Thanks

How is his personal attack based on no facts helping anyone? This is a learning forum where you ask question and you expect some type of answer or response where positive or negative not a personnel attack. Thus off-topic. If your into tell people-off or acting like a troll maybe the newspaper forums are your style.

its a guest....probally self imposed

Mr. Rudra

Its highly unethical to do what you are doing without a qualified Structural Engineer. There are many things involved in the safety of the building. Without a structural Engineer you are actually jeopardizing the safety of the building inhabitants.

I strongly recommend you to STOP that construction activity as of now; get a Structural Engineer to do the design for you before you could restart the construction works.

Failing to meet your area municipal requirements may amount to Criminal Negligence, and moreover you are endangering yourself and those who will use this building.

Fareed