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Help with DGs

02/02/2010 12:11 AM

Hey ppl. I have this issue thats really going no where. I have a 135 KVA diesel generator (415 Volts) set installed to run two 60 HP three phase motors. The motors are of Siemens make, with Star Delta config and a powere factor of 0.8. The bugger DG keeps blowing its turbo charger. I've had to change two turbos in a matter of months, which is shame,apart from being expensive. Ive looked into the reasons why turbos fail but havent reached somewhere conclusive. Could some one please help in terms of the ratings needed to run two 60 HP motors and trouble shooting of turbo chargers? The problem here is that the DG had been running fine for a couple of years, even though it was not as extensively used as today, but still!!

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02/02/2010 12:24 AM

How often do the motors start? For a constant load, the generator rating looks about right, but frequent starts might be "pushing" the generator a bit hard.

Are there any known problems with the lube system to the turbo? If the generator shuts down under a highly load condition, the turbo will be spinning at its fastest, and it may coast a while after oil pressure is lost.

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02/02/2010 4:16 AM

Well at times they may have to start even 6 times a day. The running hours span to the max of 3 to four hours on the DG.

Ya i read something similar to what you are suggesting but that would happen if the oil supply is blocked or something,no? Umm, about the load shunting, it does happen in steps because the load drops sudenly when we take a motor off load. Cant really be helped :(

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02/02/2010 11:22 PM

Check lub oil pressure gauge. Once a faulty gauge ruined my DG set. get it calibrated.

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02/02/2010 11:32 PM

you must run an idle cycle before shutdown. else the oil sitting in the turbo bearings cokes(bakes into solid crud). turbos, under load, are hot enough to glow red, that's hard on oil. there are auxiliary pumps that can circulate oil after shutdown, as well. I'm assuming your oil meets manufacturer's specs.

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02/03/2010 2:10 AM

dude, tell a little about how the DG is loaded. I mean how do you start the motors when intending to run on DG. Because the starting torque of Inductive motors is almost 2 times the normal torque, hence very high loads are dealt with in the beginning.

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02/03/2010 9:27 AM

Actually inrush current during an across the line start can be 6 times the motors FLA. Installing a soft start is the way to go. I concur with the others who cited lube issues and improper shutdowns. Edmund

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02/05/2010 11:29 AM

The fact is that the two motors are very close to the generators capacity. The two motors are rated for 112kva that is very close to 135 KVA. The generator cannot contain the starting current of the next motor when one is already runing. more so u may have to check the respective currents of the motor to find out if one is is not excessively higher than the other. Each of the motor is 45KW approx or 56 KVA. U may either have to increase the size of ur gen set or have a PF improvement system installed.

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02/07/2010 1:10 PM

regarding turbo charger failures, do u mean bearing failures or rotor failure?

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