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Pumping Electricity

02/10/2010 6:32 AM

We all know the difference between efficiency and coefficient of performance, hope.

We have seen the technology being capable of pumping heat, with COP of 2,3,4...

Is it possible to pump electricity as well? Is it possible for an electrical generator to be just a "pump" after all? And can we build a generator capable of a COP of 2 or 3? After all we have electrical energy an thermal energy.

The thing is this:according to Poynting theory the electrical energy flows around a conductor, not through. Inside the generator there must be the same case, with energy flowing from around the generator to the consumer.

PS: please do not refer to the so called "free energy" and " overunity". Mostly the former is just nonsense.

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02/10/2010 8:17 AM

" with energy flowing from around the generator to the consumer"

What are you smoking??????????????????? I'll bet it's the same stuff as this guy

Revolutionary Gearbox Designs Disclose Ignoring the Physics Laws

Or maybe, this guy New Engine Design

It's OK to dream, but don't confuse that with science.

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02/11/2010 12:56 AM

Wouldn't it be nice if there were a walled-off area (padded walls, that is) where these folks could gather. Just when I was thinking that the pseudoscience crowd had left, we have this flood. If the magic engine and the magic generator and the magic gearbox can just get together...

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02/10/2010 8:56 AM

Nah, tain't so. You may have read the Wiki article on Poynting (My momma told me it's not polite to Poynt, so I try not to ). There is a common misconception (even amongst very "learned" folks that the field inside a conductor is always zero. Well, if it's carrying a current, the field (and, thus, the voltage) is not zero. Think about a conductor in a vacuum. There's no dielectric, yet it still carries current and still has a voltage drop.

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02/10/2010 9:17 AM

In school I learned that the electric field inside a conductor is not zero indeed, but the magnetic field is. In addition the magnetic field has maximum strength at the surface of the conductor. There is where the electromagnetic energy moves along, at the surface.

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02/10/2010 9:28 AM

Well, I'm afraid you were misinformed. That's not correct. At higher frequencies (I dunno, maybe a GigaHertz), most of the field is found in a very small layer (that's 3D layer) at the surface. You have only to look at a waveguide to see this. But, not zero. Sorry.

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02/10/2010 9:55 AM

In another life, I designed waveguide dielectric materials and I agree with the statement, "You have only to look at a waveguide to see this". The most critical area was at the interface of the dielectric and the waveguide, because that's where all the energy is.

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02/10/2010 9:57 AM

You are right with this. Then assume a pipe like conductor...

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02/10/2010 10:12 AM

Keep in mind that you're talking about 60 Hz (where the skin depth is 0.37") or 50 Hz (where it's 0.40" for copper). A power generator has power inside it not outside.

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02/10/2010 1:38 PM

The idea started considering the fact that the entire input torque for a generator goes into overcoming the magnetic couple generated in the windings. Is there any possibility to cancel part of that counter couple? If so than COP greater than one is achievable. Some would say "overunity" but aactually it is not. So far we have only achieved COP of about 0.999 or so.

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02/10/2010 2:18 PM

Good luck. Could you send me some of that stuff you're smokin'?

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