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UNC Thread vs. UNF Threaded Bolts

03/21/2010 8:08 AM

I was wondering about the advantages and disadvantages of an UNC Vs UNF bolts and their typical application. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: UNC thread VS UNF Threaded bolts

03/21/2010 9:16 AM
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03/22/2010 10:29 AM

GA for a great link.....

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Re: UNC Thread vs. UNF Threaded Bolts

03/21/2010 10:46 PM

re the linked ASM article - "but as a practical matter today, only 3- coarse (UNC), fine (UNF) and 8 thread (8-UN) are in common use". Surely your imported cars use primarily metric hardware?

LL, the ASM link is excellent, except for one minor exception... metric threads also exist on this planet :)

Metric also has "fine" & "coarse" threads & all the theory within the ASM article applies equally to Imperial (or American, depending on your point of view) & Metric threads (except of course that mertic & Imperial are not interchangeable). Well... you can often substitute a nut/bolt combo with a similsr size, but a metric bolt won't go into an imperial nut & vice versa.

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Re: UNC Thread vs. UNF Threaded Bolts

03/22/2010 2:04 AM

The ASM Link leaves out a lot of important aspects.

Coarse Pitch :

- Lower Tensile stress area (OD-Pitch= ID is lower) - Preferable as ASM mentioned where the casing is thinner in section.

- Much higher thread strip area (If the usual mode of failure is thread strip then this is preferable - eg soft nut/casing/fasteners)

- Easier to tap.

- More tolerant to pre-drill oversize/ drilled hole shapes (obviously)

- The cross-thread assembly chances are much less, as is the thread damage during assembly and dismantling. And by extension better for fasteners/holes under regular assmebly/dismantling.

- Fatigue endurance limit much lower.

- Loosening under vibration more.

- Assembly faster.

- Number of threads when the threaded member is thin is less, hence not suitable.

- Fine adjstments are more difficult (eg jacking screws)

Some links, again not totally complete are here or check here in "Errors in textbooks"

Also I think machinery handbook gives some specific application guidelines.

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03/22/2010 5:29 PM

Everything important relating to fastening was in the ASM article - except this:

Much higher thread strip area (If the usual mode of failure is thread strip then this is preferable - eg soft nut/casing/fasteners).

And for a fixed OD and penetration this is not universally the case. What is true is that for a fixed OD the fine thread has a stronger core; in addition there is a temptation to use too small a penetration depth.

For what it's worth, being a clumsy old ****, I've sheered of the heads of both coarse and fine screws, and in different circumstances also sheered the threads.

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03/23/2010 1:30 AM

That is the result of calculation we had carried out when we wanted to re-design some of our product due to some chronic fastener problems.

The thread strip area of coarse thread is usually more than fine thread unless the nut is thin below a certain level. That level can be calculated for the fastener size. But if the standard recommended engagement length is possible and adhered to then coarse will perform better.

Along with this quite a few other points also were not addressed in ASM article (fatigue Endurance, loosening - the lead angle being smaller in fine threads, it has a far better anti-loosening property, etc).

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03/23/2010 6:38 AM

All true. But for critical applications I prefer to use a slightly shorter thread pitch for the bolt than for the nut, and choose the bolt length to allow this to work (a relatively fine thread can then have a large strip area).

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03/23/2010 3:48 PM

So you prefer an interference fit?

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03/23/2010 4:44 PM

Certainly not. Normal thread shapes are fine. The difference in pitch and the length of "engaged" thread should be such that the far end still provides somewhat less force/length than the section near the load. (More and there is a risk of the far end sheering and the consequent shock damaging more of the far-end thread and...).
With a suitably small difference between the pitches the improvement can be substantial. But it is a pain having to progressively tension the bolt while tightening.

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Re: UNC Thread vs. UNF Threaded Bolts

03/22/2010 3:22 AM

In my practical experience noting the main differences as UNF having less depth of thread allowing a larger minimum diameter equates to greater strength generally.

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03/22/2010 4:17 AM

UNF are more difficult to find then UNC.

Over here, both are more difficult to find than metric.

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03/22/2010 4:49 AM

Really! Choice reduction is going around I guess

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03/22/2010 6:14 AM

Try getting 15/16" x 8 BSW these days.... (sigh)

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Re: UNC Thread vs. UNF Threaded Bolts

03/22/2010 8:50 AM

In simple terms; leverage. You can put a lot more pressure with less torque with a fine thread vs. a coarse thread.

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Re: UNC Thread vs. UNF Threaded Bolts

02/01/2011 12:54 PM

UNF threads are not as deep as UNC threads and this larger minor diameter allows for better load-carrying ability. The fit is more specific with finer tension adjustment and tighter tolerances. Finer pitch threads are mostly used in applications where safety or where loosening due to vibration or shock would be an issue.

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