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Development of Electric Vehicles by Using Batteries

02/06/2007 7:46 AM

Sir,

I have an intensive desire to run vehicles by using electricity from batteries. My main desire is to control the air pollution.

And I want to know about these types of projects, if there was any inventions that which are already comes in the world.

please give the details.

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Re: Development of Electric Vehicles by Using Batteries

02/06/2007 8:55 AM

In Florida, usa, there is a town i forget the name but near lake okechobe rings bells , promoting the use of electricity vehicles. On tv (OLN or SPEED ch. ), we saw the touring florida without fossil fuel project. if you search on the web, you may find it. One thing they did not talk about ,when running out of power, was the possibility of using sails, yes sails on the road when the wind is proper, that will charge the batteries, like the www.solomonindustries.com or www.ngcmarine.com or www.asmomarine.com (the Thoosa 9000-rg...) these motors regen . power when wind, waves, slopes create more power than the throttle level. ie the propulsion becomes the resistance creating a dynamo. on a not so windy day, it is surprising how small sails can generate speed on wheels (little friction) or ice skates.

The height of a trailer truck would be sufficient and the capsizing factor can be easily avoided with a bungy and auto release tacking system. I would keep the car as low as possible like a formula 1 or indycar . No wind, you can paddle, but you would be using fossil fuel ... usually when its not windy, it is sunny.

solar photovoltaics would be another source of power. i would avoid considering the parabolica for solar on the roads, blinding glare could be a problem. but there are new solar technologies for DIY s .

I hope this bit of info helps you and sincere good luck. you may find www.otherpower.com interesting. How to s with little money. I will be doing a R & D project on this probably starting late this year. My best friend is very sick, got to help.

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Re: Development of Electric Vehicles by Using Batteries

02/06/2007 11:03 AM

20-odd years ago Lucas Chloride Electric Vehicles were taking a keen interest in this topic and the Lead Engineer of this area gave a fascinating talk at Brunel University, at Uxbridge. Sadly, owing to the range he had to travel, he arrived in a petroleum-powered vehicle on that occasion.

The principal challenges to the development of electric vehicles are the criteria of power-output-to-battery-weight and energy-stored-to-battery-weight, as these factors limit the performance, the re-charge time and the range of the vehicle. In this respect, electrics are not so flexible as petroleums or biofuels ("Veggie Vehicles"?). At the time, much interest was being shown in the sodium-sulphur battery [Na2S] concept as it ticked the two boxes above. On the down side, it ceased to be a battery when the temperature of the contents fell below about 300degC, from memory, and therefore a significant start-up time was needed before the vehicle was ready to move off. Safe containment of the contents at these temperatures was a significant problem were the battery to become damaged in a vehicle collision.

Recently London Buses had a small fleet of hydrogen-powered buses in use for evaluation in the eastern outskirts, and hydrogen and electricity are competing technologies for future energy storage for vehicles.

There are delivery firms in the UK (not just milk deliveries...) that use electric vehicles based upon the common lead-acid battery and developments of it; a parcels delivery service in Wigan was using a fleet of converted Commer vans in the early 1980s. Electric vehicles are exempt from some road taxation and annual inspection criteria, and these economies when applied to a large fleet can be well worth having, tipping the balance in favour of the electric for specialised applications.

Whatever method is used to produce a secondary fuel like hydrogen or electricity, a primary fuel is probably used somewhere else to help create it, so a change in fuels can invoke the movement of the problem to another location. With economies of scale, a centralised primary fuel point is easier to clean up than lots of mobile ones. Different counties also have different standards for air quality; until the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_1956 London had a reputation for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog, for example, much of the smog coming from the domestic hearth at that time. With developments in fuel production, use and distribution the air quality problem has now largely passed into history in London, while remaining a significant problem in places like Lima in Peru, for example, where less effort has gone in to solve it.

Secondary fuels lend themselves readily to "green" methods of generation, like solar and wind, and the location in the world of the problem will determine what mix of generation methods is acceptable there.

The chances are that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_vehicle and "Veggies" will evolve first, as the energy distribution network already exists and they are drop-in replacements for the petroleums, needing little adjustment on the part of the user, where most of the inertia lies.

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Re: Development of Electric Vehicles by Using Batteries

02/06/2007 3:30 PM

agree

and, if i remember correctly, in florida, they were looking for sugar cane plantations ... and could not find enough. I understood they produced fuel from the 20 feet box truck. they had a motorcycle (all batteries) and a thing that they (the big guy) couldn t get into driven by solar. Here and in the USA, people are beginning to buy diesel in order to change it to use heated french fries used oils. At one point, the fresh canola oil was about the same price as our fresh unleaded. Strangely, the unleaded prices went down. Kills the chick in the egg. FF oils will certainly better my wardrobe smells on a large scale ... please run on hugo boss for men cars and chanel for w. cars ...

Hybrid technologies are so far the closest to realistic futur. The irony is that the large SUVs and minivans are now the best vehicles as they have space for batteries, motors and stuff. Families are growing in view of the heavy GVT subsidies for parental holidays for fathers and mothers, kindergardens at 7$ per day ... etc.

In a way, it makes sence, the bigger the vehicle, the closest you are to be some kind of carpooling, bussing, and hello families are important and they do need space. Smart cars (70 mpg) are not to be forgotten, unless hit by a SUV ... another dilema.

Public people and deseases ... transportation systems were electric (buses) and people complained about eye polution and flexibility. Quick recharge bus stop solutions could be easily designed. Electric motors are notarious for efficiency at rpm 1 , and recharge on downhills and slowdowns is possible. For now, with the tech. available, probably the easiest way to recharge would be to have a roll on / off on bus roofs batteries packs. takes 20 seconds and the batteries get recharged (changed) on top of the bus stop buildings, everything leathal stays high up ... For winter /hot summer, glycol heating/cooling system could be refilled with hot/cold glycol every (few) bus stops, a 10 second pitt stop ... all this is pretty easy, what is not easy is to decide.

I was forgetting why we go this far with new technos, yes, reduce greenhouse effect gases. I need to check this, but forest fires (happens anyway) create more GEG than all the cities combined in N. America, would it be a good idea to do something about it, and in the process save the trees for more newspapers ... and some houses in populated areas.

In the mean time better batteries, working on it, should come out.

Conclusion, the chalenge is in the head primarily.

Hydrogen was purposely ingnored in this discussion, as nuclear mini motors, coal, water, propane, nat. gas, methane gas , etc. To many issues around them yet, i mean yet.

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02/07/2007 4:22 AM

Further, solutions for defined public transport routes are already there, though lying dormant in places. London used to have a trolleybus network, where emission-free buses operated over defined routes powered by electricity fed by a network of overhead wires. In addition, double-deck electrically-powered trams operated over a wide network until abandonment in 1952. Many other european cities have developed and enlarged their tram networks (Zurich, Vienna, Prague, Budapest....). London now has a congestion charge zone at its centre, where a fee is charged for bringing a private vehicle inside a defined area, and a very interesting Docklands Light Railway, where driverless, electrically-powered rail vehicles operate over an automatic network at high frequency with obvious benefits. Bringing a private road vehicle within the perimeter of the M25 orbital motorway is a singularly unattractive proposition nowadays, and many now avoid doing this unless absolutely necessary, the writer included.

Almost every home in Israel has a solar hot water generator on its roof, and installations are commonplace in other countries at these low latitudes. In temperate, higher latitudes, huge emphasis is currently placed upon better insulation of buildings, so that warmth dissipated within them is no longer allowed to escape quickly, thereby reducing the consumption of fossil fuels and attendant airborne particulates, SOx and NOx (major contributors to smog) as well as reducing personal expenditure on space heating. Building Regulations in the UK, through which most structural alterations and all new-build properties must pass, will require typically 250mm of loft-space insulation between and above the joists supporting the upstairs ceiling, and many home owners are reporting significant energy savings by adding cavity wall insulation to their walls and double-glazing to their windows. Grant aid from local authorities is available to families on low incomes to take advantage of lower energy bills by contributing to the costs of insulating their homes better. Observations indicate that triple-glazing is commonplace in new properties in Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries. Sluggishly, and economics of construction and savings in operation and the outward overall appearance are the most significant factors, solar and wind generating installations are becoming more evident in the UK, it lagging behind some countries in this respect. Low-energy light sources are beginning to overtake the rather inefficient tungsten filament as the preferred method of producing artificial light, leading to reductions in demand and with them reductions in emissions.

All these things help towards reducing air pollution in cities, and advocacy of electric vehicles needs to be viewed as an important part of the solution, along with many of the other technologies under discussion. In no way are these things competing with each other, as they all need to be considered as important parts of a total concept.

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Re: Development of Electric Vehicles by Using Batteries

02/07/2007 4:41 AM

Battery driven cars are older than ICE driven.

There sole problem was the action radius and that you will need to get the electricity you need to fill up the tank.

My opinion is that 80% of the cars would never come into problems when they would be driven by batteries. At night you will need to hook them on the net and when power usage goes down, the systems starts to fill up.

A nice way to cope with the unpredictable power delivery habits of windmills and other renewable sources.

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Re: Development of Electric Vehicles by Using Batteries

02/07/2007 3:13 PM

Yes there has been many electric vehicles developed . Try this site to start

http://www.veva.bc.ca/

and the latest

http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1

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02/09/2007 11:16 AM

start with "Club Car" a division of Ingersoll Rand. see what you can find out on the web -

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