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Stainless Mesh Grade for Wood Pellet Baskets

03/25/2010 7:30 AM

I am making wood pellet baskets for wood stoves and have tried 304 SS and 316 SS and the baskets deteriorate from the heat and ash . Is there a better grade ? is 316L better for this purpose . Thank you .

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03/25/2010 8:11 AM

Cast iron is traditionally used for the grates of coal-fired boilers.

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03/25/2010 8:29 AM

I know that, these baskets are light weight and burn wood pellets in the common wood stove . Thanks for the comment.

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03/25/2010 8:59 AM

This may help. It's from:

Table 1. Maximum service temperatures in dry air, based on scaling resistance (ref: ASM Metals Handbook)

Grade Intermittent (°C) Continuous (°C)
304 870 925
309 980 1095
310 1035 1150
316 870 925
321 870 925
410 815 705
416 760 675
420 735 620
430 870 815
2111HTR 1150 1150
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03/25/2010 4:46 PM

Thanks for the info .

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03/25/2010 6:32 PM

OTOH, how reliable is the table? Some of the continuous ratings are higher than the intermittent ratings, which doesn't compute. Nonetheless, three of the alloys are clearly better. Cross check with another source or two, and compare costs....

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03/25/2010 8:12 PM

Yes, I noticed that, but it came from what I believe to be a reliable source. I'm not a metallurgist though.

Milo will know.

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03/25/2010 10:35 PM

Short answer I would use 310 if you can find it.We used 310 (sheet) for pans and trays in our lab furnaces, but they weren't holding wood or submerged in ash... Lyn^2's data is as good to use as anything, but if i were designer I would say that gage of mesh trumps grade

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The failure modes for these materials in a firebox can include cyclic carbon and nitrogen pick up, New phases precipitating and grain growth. Plus chemical attack from constituents in wood (sulfur) (and ash if humidity swings if left in ash over longer time); as well as embrittlement from the heat cycling. Slow cooling as might happen in your application can also cause it to lose mechanical properties.

If you are looking for something that will last forever in mesh diameters I don't know what to use;If you could get your hands on the european microalloyed grades like Outokumpu 353Ma etc, that would be great, but as far as I know, they aren't available as mesh.

If you could get heavier wire and fabricate you would get multiples of current life in my opinion.

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03/26/2010 12:03 AM

I am not an engineer but I do a lot of machining & fabricating and anytime you need something to stand up under heat use 310 SS - the fancy chart the other guy posted clearly shows it way ahead of most of the other grades. I have personally worked with 310 and it's not much harder to work with than 316 and has much better heat resistance. I believe that the L on the 316 is for low temp rating not high am I right? Usually bar stock comes as 316/316L dual certified so I am unclear as to what practical difference the L makes.

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03/26/2010 12:13 AM

The L means that the carbon content is controlled(as in low) and I believe that this means enhanced high temperature performance, as you indicate.

Chemical resistance is better, too I believe.

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03/26/2010 12:23 AM

You MAY wish to try a corrosion resistant coating on whatever material you decide upon. This way you could get away with a cheaper base material.

Diamond films are traditionally the hardest coating material and extremely resistant to corrosion - while also providing superior thermal conduction.

One provider is called Industrial Hard Carbon, LLC but there ARE more.

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03/26/2010 5:33 AM

Why not carbon steel, the material typically used to construct fossil fuel fired boilers? I don't believe the density (weight) will be all that much different than that of any of the austenitic grades listed above.

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03/26/2010 7:17 AM

Thank you all , I will look into the 310 and the other ideas .

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03/26/2010 7:42 AM

It depends on the the failure mechanism you are experiencing. Coating the basket with a high temperature coating such as ceramic, may help. I also suggest trying high temperature alloys such as inconel.

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03/26/2010 7:46 AM

Inconel might get a bit pricey for a home wood stove eh welderguy? We make industrial mesh strainer elements from 304 (L) and 316 (L) and they are pricey...I can only imagine whay incoloy or inconel would be!!

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03/26/2010 8:15 AM

You might be right, but OP hasn't suggested a cost constraint. I remember when a crazy engineer suggested the use of platinum in catalytic converters. The consensus was that it was not only too pricey for a car eh guest, but that the engineer was nuts.

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03/26/2010 8:23 AM

Point taken welderman.....an engineer....nuts? surely you must be joking!!

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11/10/2020 7:59 PM

Hello Tom, Brian Grady here I bought a welder from you are you still out there . I asked about weld heads a year or two ago . Thank you .Brian

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03/26/2010 9:31 AM

Inconel might be pricy initially but if you're having to replace material that is not working all the time, then the price of the good stuff will pay for itself.

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03/27/2010 2:00 AM

Yea, Inconel may be a bit too pricey but Diamond films, made from methane gas, can cost pennies per square ft to apply. Depends on your supplier.

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03/26/2010 1:07 PM

I would recommend going with something other than stainless, regardless of its rating due to the high corrosive atmosphere. Relatively cheap, abundant and very tolerant of what you are describing would be alumina-ceramic mesh that would take the heat and the corrosion well in stride. Industrial ceramics are the way to go.

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04/03/2010 12:09 AM

I think that ceramics is the way to go also. Very good tolerance to heat and stress from diffusing chemicals from the unburned contaminants.

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04/02/2010 9:56 PM

For the application you are trying I would suggest RA330 This is what I am using in an application that requires high temp holding of products.

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11/11/2020 1:50 AM

You might consider aluminized steel....

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11/11/2020 12:30 PM

The pellet baskets have to be cast.

As a minimum the base, we leave you an example,

see in https://www.pelletaran.com/?lang=en

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