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How Small are Tiny Bugging Devices?

03/28/2010 10:40 PM

I'm writing a screenplay and would like to get some input about how small a "portable" bugging device can be. Ideally, for the sake of my story, someone hides a small device in a woman's handbag in order to listen to her conversations, wherever she goes. Is this possible? If so, would a listening range of a few miles be possible? Thanks to anyone who can help.

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03/28/2010 10:58 PM

With enough funding I suspect that there isn't a limit to how tiny a listening device can be. One of the most ingenious ideas the CIA once used was a technique that didn't add a listening device to the room at all. They reflected an infrared laser beam off of the glass of a window. The microphone like movements of the glass were translated into a deflection of the IR beam. Thus no listening device was added to the room in this case. Personally, I've always like the idea that all one had to do was hack the cell phone and listen as long as the battery worked. But I wouldn't do that, honest.

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03/29/2010 1:35 PM

Thanks for your answer. My bad guy doesn't have big financial resources. The CIA infrared technique is really cool. It would be great in another kind of story from the one I'm writing--in a Mission Impossible type story.

Given the fact that there isn't much money available (in my story), do you happen to know how small the easily obtainable listening devices are? Also, how hard would it be and how much time would it take for someone to hack the cell phone?

Thanks again.

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03/29/2010 5:34 PM

I don't know how difficult a cell phone is but people have already remotely turned on laptop cameras and detected who had stolen the laptop. I sure a simple Google search will find you the pertinent details.

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03/29/2010 8:13 PM

Thanks. I saw your signature/quote line and thought you might get a kick out of this: In the recent New Yorker Magazine Cartoon Contest, there's a drawing of a guy in Rome driving a sports car. On the side of the road, there are huge Roman numerals carved in stone. One of the winning entries was that he tells his passenger, "If you think THIS is annoying...in a mile or two, they switch to binary."

My entry was, "I don't know why they put the exits so close together."

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03/28/2010 11:08 PM

Is this possible? If so, would a listening range of a few miles be possible?

Yes, modern electronic miniaturisation allows wireless audio transmitters (listening devices or 'bugs') to be small enough to hide in objects the size of a pen, but the range is generally less than a mile. I believe some are small enough to be imbedded in pocket change. Same with locators (such as GPS) and wireless cameras.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_listening_device

http://www.advanced-intelligence.com/audio.html

http://www.cyonic-nemeton.com/spytek/SPYTeK.htm

I think a remotely-activated cellphone bugging technique may be a good plot device as there is no range limit, and the concept has not been 'done-to-death' in the movies or literature. As an advantage you could use cell tower triangulation to track the character's general location.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking

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03/29/2010 1:38 PM

Thanks! I'll check out the link you sent when I get home from work. I may have to get back to you for more info on how a remotely-activated cellphone technique would be implemented. Good to know that it hasn't been done-to-death in movies. Later,

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03/29/2010 12:47 AM

The electronics may be made quite small, but the range and duration of the bugging would depend on how much of a battery you could fit in the device. The battery will be the limiting factor on both size and how long the thing will work. And you can ballpark this for yourself. No rf device that I know of is more than 50% efficient. Meaning if the device outputs, say 100 mW rf power, it will use up at least 200 mW from the battery.

And you can calculate range as a function of rf power from

Pr = Pt G1 G2 *square (λ/4 π r),

where ,

Pr = power received by the device to which the bug transmits,

Pt = bug transmit power, Watts

G1 is gain of transmit antenna,

G2 is gain of receiving antenna,

λ= wavelength of rf signal, meters

r = range, meters

If we arbitrarily pick 100 mW transmit power, and a transmit antenna gain of 1.64 (for a tuned dipole, pretty much omni-directional pattern, which is what you need in the transmitter), and if we decide that receive power must be above 1e-13 Watt (decently sensitive receiver), and wavelength is around 2 inches (6 GHz), allowing for a 1" end-to-end tuned half-wave dipole antenna, and finally if we decide that the receiver may have a higher gain (16) antenna to increase range, because the listener can use a large antenna, then we may solve for r and it equals 20 km, which is plenty far enough, plus it won't work that far unless you are out in the country, and even then that is quite optimistic. If you back off the power to 10 mW, you will be down to about 6 km, and then your battery will last longer, too.

If you are using 10 mW transmit power, you will use twice that much power from your battery. You can calculate how long the battery will last by calculating the current drawn from the battery, and comparing that to the battery capacity, given in amp-hours, or in your case, milliamp hours. Say you have a 3 Volt lithium battery. Power = volt * Amps, so 20 mW pulled from a 3 Volt battery means 7 mA. If the battery milliamp hour rating is 100 mA-hours, you have about 15 hours of use. You can check various battery types on the web, to get a feel for size vs. amp-hours, and see if you can get the range, size and duration you need for your situation.

Notice the non-rf part of the circuit has been ignored in the above calculation. You will get less than calculated above, because the rest of the circuit draws current as well. But it won't draw as much as the rf transmitter. There is a way to conserve battery power. If the bug can store say, a minute's worth of conversation, then transmit all that info in say one second, then the rf transmitter duty cycle goes way down, and you conserve battery life by transmitting "chirps" of data. In principle this will reduce range, because the bandwidth requirement will go up. But at these data rates, it isn't an issue.

A sophisticated radio link like this will likely be spread spectrum, and/or use some sort of coding, so that the receive radio can listen in on the transmitter even in the presence of lots of external noise. That will act to extend range as well.

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03/29/2010 8:24 PM

OK, I've got the details now! Thanks a lot. As I mentioned to one of the other members above, I'm a former math guy and pretty technically challenged, but you've given me lots of technical info to use sparingly when and if the bad guy needs to explain how he accomplished the bugging. I really appreciate your help and everyone else's.

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03/29/2010 8:43 PM

An idea popped into my head that might solve your miles of coverage idea. If the target has a vehicle with a built in blue tooth cell phone up-link capability, hiding this little gem with a 150 meter Bluetooth range in the vehicle could allow a purse to Bluetooth to cell tower linkup that will travel with her. If your target lives in a suburban or rural environment this will permit coverage through out most homes.

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03/29/2010 9:28 PM

Thanks! This is perfect. With the photo at the link you sent, I know just what it looks like. The size is OK--it could be hidden under her scarves and whatnot. And she may happen to mention to the wrong person that her new vehicle has blue tooth cell phone up-link capability. Or I could show her using that some way early on so that the bad guy knows she's got it. This really helps.

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03/30/2010 7:51 PM

Very nice answer, as usual. hey, what about those new wireless chargers - could he run a charging signal off her car for the bug battery?

Just a thought.

Then again, with silk scarves involved, piezo charging might be more to the point..

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03/31/2010 1:21 AM

To the best of my knowledge, those wireless chargers work on ac induction, i.e., Faraday's Law. You can't get that from a dc system like in a car, plus the lady won't always be in her car. And even if the car had an ac power system, you can't "accidentally" pick up enough induction power to do any good. You have to have an intentional source of the induction field - a big loop. You couldn't hide that thing, unless it could be really close to the charging item, and then obviously it would again only work when she was adjacent to it.

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03/29/2010 1:46 AM

4 years ago we were playing with video feed chips that were less than 1cm cube including the transmitter. We joked about putting them into buttons on blazers, and tried a few with remarkable results.

We were also using redundant chip memory and processing capacity to "data log" activity in the product for later analysis in warranty. The elctronics is simple, your challenge will be to get a microphone to "hear" through all the developed noise (and baffling) inside the handbag and to get an antenna to deliver a signal that's detectable at that range. Listening "real time" will chew up power, but if you can digitally record and then use RFID technology to "turn on" the transmitter when you are in range to pick it up you would be far better.

By the way, is "big brother" reading this? I know that someone has been watching. Will the guys in dark suits get through CR4 security and find our homes?

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03/29/2010 8:19 PM

Thanks. What you say bodes well for my story because most people (like myself) wouldn't know about the muffling effect of the bag, etc. At least, they probably wouldn't think about it too hard if I'm doing my job well--holding their interest emotionally with a good story. Thank God I'm not really faced with the challenge of having to carry out this bugging project. I've got a BA in math, but I've never been the hands-on type. That was my cousin (now deceased), who had me take him to some huge electronics supply store every time he and my aunt and uncle visited us in NY.

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03/30/2010 7:44 PM

having worked with radio mics in the film industry, I have to agree that the noise of anything contacting your microphone will be a problem. More so than "muffling" effect, it's the movement noise/clothing noise that is magnified.

A good bug will be shielded in some way and also fixed in place where it will be least affected by any unintended contact from, say, her scarves. (have you ever listened to scarves? I have some great recordings of pocket noise. ) Of course, in a dramatic script, the unintended noise can be a feature, as it will frustrate the listener and increase the tension...

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03/29/2010 11:31 AM

Such a device is definitely possible although the range would probably be less than a couple of miles in most instances. Check with me by going to http://www.dbugman.com.

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