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460V 60 Hz Motor Operating at 380 Volt 50 Hz

04/19/2010 11:58 AM

I am running a motor which is designed for operating in US (460 V 60 Hz), but exported to Europe (380 V 50 Hz). I have found a few articles explaining the other way from 380 /50 to 460/60, but not going lower direction. I believe motor power will be 5/6 times lower than the name plate, but is that all?

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Re: 460V 60 Hz Motor Operating at 380 Volt 50 Hz

04/19/2010 4:31 PM

What is your application? What is the motor driving?

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Re: 460V 60 Hz Motor Operating at 380 Volt 50 Hz

04/19/2010 5:15 PM

Torque remains the same, speed drops to 5/6 of rated, so therefore power drops to 5/6 because power (HP or kW) in a motor is an expression of torque at a given speed.

So if it is a pump, you will pump less.

If it is a fan, it will blow less.

If it is a conveyor, it will just move slower.

If it is a compressor, it will take longer to achieve pressure.

If it is a saw, it may not be the right speed for the blade teeth to function correctly.

If it is ... etc. etc. etc.

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Re: 460V 60 Hz Motor Operating at 380 Volt 50 Hz

04/21/2010 11:59 AM

I assume it's just a motor, not a complete pump, fan etc. So as long as the machine it's fitted to in Europe draws power no more than ~ 5/6 x the US rating, at the 50 Hz speed, all should be well.

Also full-load current does not change.

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Re: 460V 60 Hz Motor Operating at 380 Volt 50 Hz

04/26/2010 4:01 PM

What's the point of considering "just a motor" if it is not connected to anything? The point I (and Labyguy) was making was that the LOAD that is connected to the motor is where the real effects will be felt, and the TYPE of load makes all the difference. The OP did not provide enough information.

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04/27/2010 4:52 AM

I wasn't suggesting the motor would remain unconnected to any load. I was trying to distinguish between

a) taking a complete unit - e.g. pump, fan etc with motor designed for 460V 60Hz, and connecting it to 380/50

b) fitting the motor to a load designed for 50 Hz speed, and connecting it to 380/50

From the original post, which only refers to the motor, b) seems more likely. If it's a), as you pointed out in #2, it depends on the type of equipment. For constant torque load, power drawn will be the reduced motor output power, and motor is being worked to its (new) maximum. So though the equipment performance is reduced, it's the best that can be done. But if it's e.g. a centrifugal pump, performance will be well down, pump shaft input power down to (5/6)3 = 58%, while motor output is 83%. OP would need to ensure the lower pump performance is acceptable, or it's all a waste of time.

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04/27/2010 1:28 PM

OK, I see your point, thanks for the clarification.

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04/27/2010 1:43 PM

No problem JRaef.........Codey

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Re: 460V 60 Hz Motor Operating at 380 Volt 50 Hz

04/20/2010 3:45 AM

It will, as you say, be capable of the same torque at 5/6 speed and therefore 5/6 power.

The main consideration is a marginal loss of cooling air as the NDE fan is designed for 60Hz, so you will probably get less than 5/6 cooling but I think this is marginal unless you are in a hot location (e.g. oven drive). I guess if it was designed specifically for 380/50Hz it would show this on the nameplate along with the 460 rating.

The power factor and efficiency ratings and the nameplate may not be correct and you may wish to re-label to the new voltage,kW (hp), Hz and rpm, or this may be queried. The slip should be a similar amount for a similar load torque i.e. 1750 becomes 1450rpm at 50Hz, for example.

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04/20/2010 6:59 AM

460V 60HZ designed mean 7.66V/HZ. If you run the motor at 380V 50HZ, the V/HZ ratio would be 7.6V/HZ, the same. The torque would remain the same and no extra losses would generate but speed would be dropped.

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http://www.lmphotonics.com/motor_50Hz_60Hz.htm

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04/20/2010 7:37 AM

The extra loss I referred to was cooling loss (of air flow) as speed is reduced. Not motor performance characteristics.

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