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Conveyor Belt Roller and Pulley Failures

04/28/2010 10:27 PM

I work for an asset maintenance company which maintain assets for a power station and the mine as well. There is over 15km of conveyor belts and at the moment we do have a lot of downtime caused by bearing failures on idlers,pulleys and mangle rollers. Its a coal mine and the environment is very dirty and dusty . There is about 22 000 idlers and the failure rate is about 1500/year and most of the failures are bearing related . I just wanted to find out if there is any tips of improving the MTBF for the above mentioned components and reducing the overall expenditure on those items.

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04/29/2010 12:03 AM

This is indeed a severe duty. I don't know what types of bearings and strategies you have been trying, nor am I an expert anyway, but maybe some brainstorming is in order.

If you are using unrelubricable sealed bearings, I bet that fine dust would sooner or later work its way in anyway, expecially if they remain unattended for long. If unsealed bearings are greased often enough, the periodic outflow of grease will inhibit inward migration of dust, but the regreasing interval might need to be impractibly frequent. [I operate fish-processing equipment with a greasing period of 4 hours to prevent salt water from getting in. If you have 22,000 idlers that need a schedule like this, you can keep an army busy! (We just cheat--once a day if lucky. No problems so far, knock on wood; but we need to change a rotary knife and a surgical blade pretty often.)]

Maybe I'm daydreaming, but I would look for a bearing with lip seals on either side, so that new grease could be injected, say two squirts; the ejected old grease wiped off; and one more squirt of new grease, but not wiped off. Wild guess--once per week, so it doesn't need such a large army. That's the brainstorming part; I'm only guessing.

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04/29/2010 12:15 AM
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04/29/2010 12:46 AM

Depending on load and speed you might consider changing the bearings by self lubricated (graphite) bronze bushings.

That is close to coal dust.

We had such an issue in a sugar powder mill. Instead of a clean cylindrical bore, we produced a self cleaning one, consisting of a square thread that directs the dust out of the bushing.

If you want the coal to work with you use the dust as anti- friction layer. In a bearing it doesn't work but a bushing can work out well with a coal dust hardcoat.

** a different thought is also try to send a water film between shaft and bushing. It will also bring down the dust.

Maybe the bushing can just replace the bearing. You can have them CNC manufactured. Pls, communicate rolls diameter and belt speed, width and weight of the load.

With the sugar project, I cannot recall we ever changed them over 10 years.

One of my inventions. You can use the idea for this particular project. I do not need royalties. Just do it.

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04/29/2010 9:00 AM

I am more familiar with those conveyors used in warehousing and manufacturing. Most the idle rollers are relatively inexpensive. There are manufactures that make labyrinth seals to protect the bearings in dusty applications. You will need to address that with the manufacturer they will want to know the contaminate. Are the metal dust shields still in place? I that application there are usually shields on the sides of the conveyor. That drop down around the roller end to keep the bulk of the dust from falling directly on the bearings ends of the roller.

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04/29/2010 10:38 PM

you might try a weekly inspection with an infrared camera. The bearings that fail will start to heat up, and if you can find them in advance, replace them without stopping the line. With 22,000 of them, it might be a full time job for some person to go over the whole line again and again. One way would be to make the camera ride the line and look at them. There are many possibilities.

It might cost more to hire the kid with the camera than to fix them as they break...unless they fail catastrophically.

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04/29/2010 11:38 PM

Early in my engineering career (like 1968) I had a roughly one year gig as a plant engineer in an old tech 75 ton per day iron foundry making valve and hydrant castings. It had a cupola with a modern (for the time) dust collection system. The sand movement was all done dry with shakeouts, conveyors and bucket elevators. This was a dusty place for sure.

We had about a dozen guys in the maintenance crew including the foreman. One fellow we called "Lightning" had the job of greasing all the equipment bearings and vacuuming out all of the electrical control cabinets. The nickname came from the methodical way he went about his job doing the entire operation in one shift. We could laugh at Lightning's demeanor; but I can tell you that without that job being done the whole operation would have ground to a halt within a week.

Standard design practice for all that machinery was non contact metal triple labyrinth seals on all the bearings. No lip seals or rubber seals anywhere. Sand grit would readily embed in the rubber sealing surfaces and quickly destroy the seal. Frequent lubrication was needed to keep the labyrinths full of grease flowing outward so sand particles couldn't get into the critical bearing clearances. In the case of moving/rubbing mechanism surfaces like a few slow chain drives they were left dead dry and depended on hardened steel surfaces to handle the loads dry.

and handled wet until a final centrifuging process to lower the moisture content to the right level for mold making. I never had any experience in that area. There was nothing unique about the way we ran that foundry. I'm sure there was similar practice throughout that kind of industry in the USA. Practices may be different in more modern "Wet" foundries where mold sand is washed off the castings.

Bottom line here is that mineral particles of a size in the micron range do not get along well with rubber and polymer contact seals.

Conditions in the coal mine sound similar to the foundry but there are obviously some differences. But to me the bottom line is that hard particles must be kept from entering into close clearance bearing areas and this can only be accomplished in a practical sense by a continual outflow of fluid to prevent inflow of particles. Any conventional contact seals quickly become labyrinth seals with a poor short exclusion path. Better to start with proper labyrinth seals in the bearings. Large antifriction bearings for material handling systems and other abrasive environments are readily available as bare bearings or in pillow block assemblies from most of the large antifriction bearing manufacturers.

I believe each industry eventually develops its own best practices with respect to lubrication of these systems.

One other thought here is that there ought to be some review of the mining processes and material processing to insure that excessive dust beyond what is normal is not being created by worn or improperly applied machinery and handling processes.

Please view my comments as being from one with little experience in your type of industry but substantial experience in the machinery application of antifriction bearings.

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04/30/2010 6:08 AM

Hi Ed,

An excellent over-view and please accept my GA ! In a slightly different context I was involved for a time in the field testing of large earth movers and the issue there was with the idler roller seals on the track frames. Again simple lip seals failed early on despite the '2 pumps ' per 8 hour shift into each nipple. The solution was an extended clearance zone out-board of the main seal, this seemed to be a cost effective way of avoiding premature wear. The rollers were subject to ground conditions which varied so much that there never was a case of 'one size fits all'. We just kept things going at a realistic and tolerable repair rate.

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04/30/2010 9:39 AM

Thanks, guys for the GA's.

I just noticed that I somehow clipped some lines off the part about wet sand foundries.

It should read:

"As a side note some of the larger and more modern iron foundries in order to reduce dust have gone over to using water to remove the molding sand from the castings. For reuse it is collected and handled wet until a final centrifuging process to lower the moisture content to the right level for mold making. I never had any experience in that area."

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04/30/2010 8:52 AM

The rollers you use should be designed for the situation. I worked at a mine that had over 400 miles of belt in continuous operation, and we had maybe 1 or 2 belt malfunctions due to rollers in ten years. Maintenance is the answer, and daily inspection. It seems like overkill, but a hot bearing can cause a fire, which can be disastrous in a coal mine. If you are working around coal dust, then get a roller designed for this type of use. We swapped out rollers as they went bad, but we had rollers in operation that were up to 10-years old. Talk to the manufacturer, if he says he can't give you what you need, talk to someone else. If all else fails, let me know, and I will call and get you the name of my old supplier.

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04/30/2010 9:01 AM

Stupid question, but has anyone tried a solid roller made from UHMW or Teflon? dispense with the bearing completely and just use a big chunk of bearing grade plastic. No more lubrication issues, just replace it when it gets worn out.

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04/30/2010 10:03 AM

I suspect the loads and especially roller rotational speed in these conveyors are too high for the PV (pressure x velocity) limits of Teflon and UHMW or even the best grades of plastic sleeve bearing materials. This has a lot to do with the poor thermal conductivity of most plastics which allows destructive heat buildup. This is where antifriction bearings fit in.

The other problem with plastic materials of this type is that the costs begin to run away exponentially as the physical size of the plastic parts increases.

Lastly, plastics are not great in abrasive environments where the particle size is small enough to enter the running clearances. The particles get in and embed themselves in the plastic where they abrade the steel shafts they run on. Unlike a babbit or bronze hydrodynamic bearings (very high load "PV" capability but not suitable for excess abrasives) which embed the occasional tramp abrasive particle there is no oil film in the plastic bearing to prevent contact of the particle with the rotating shaft (or sleeve in the case of rollers on a stationary shaft).

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05/03/2010 8:35 AM

Superior Industries manufactures an idler that uses HDPE rolls, but they still use sealed bearings. The units are marketed more as an energy saving device. If you are interested, here is a link:

http://superior-ind.com/products/components/idlers/moxie-rolls

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04/30/2010 9:04 AM

Long distances of coal handling conveyors are very common. Armed with the excellent suggestions in this thread, I would now talk to conveyor companies that have extensive and recent coal experience. I too have made use of labyrinth seals in bad environments with good success, but they must be regularly lubricated.

Any bearing change they suggest you must also evaluate based on your own knowledge (see above suggestions). There are sales people that would lead customers in the wrong direction to make a sale. I would then do a test of a few hundred before I implemented the the new procedure or hardware throughout my system.

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04/30/2010 9:43 AM

I am assuming your system have Troughing Idlers, bend pulleys, return pulleys , head pulleys, tail pulley, impact idlers etc. If the failure rates are on the troughing and return idlers you may want to look at your lubrication program. years ago their pulleys carries lubrication point but within the last ten years manufacturer as replace these with seal bearing and of such previous rollers of these kind would only fail when the rollers wear. At that time a smart maintenance person would put in extra grease to form sealing and lubricating the bearing. the current condition do not accommodate that and in some cases like in an alumina industry these failures increase as the seal do not meet a standard that will seal entirely these bearing.

You can shop around for better troughing idlers and in some cases install your own lubricant point. also whenever you use non impact idlers where the load comes on the belt you increase these failure.

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05/03/2010 8:28 AM

The problem is likely related to dust and lubrication as the others have explained, but I would also make sure that the idlers are the correct CEMA grade for the load/duty. If CEMA B idlers are being used where CEMA D idlers should have been specified, failures will likely occur on a regular basis.

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02/27/2011 6:49 AM

Saw your message here and had to comment.

Typically if the rollers are corectly dimensioned, the main reason for bearing failure is either the dirt getting to the bearings or that you get condensation inside the roller and it slowly ruins the bearing.

Assuming that the dimensioning is correctly done, you need to look for the bearing protection. A solution that I am working on is hte HDPE rollers such as the RET-Rollers. www.ret-rollers.de.

On these ones you have 4xlip seal on the outside and a single lip seal on the inside.

On the 15km long conveyor you could enjoy also a nice powe saving with a lower rolling resistance roller.

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