Meta Innovation

Ky, I have been posting there, hoping to get some response and a little award.

I think the results should be publicized - I don't trust them too much.

My whole life I have been making others wealthy.

And myself more poor and commercially stupid.

This is an open forum. Innocentive acts as a secret sect.

Nothing is shared.

dvmdsc

They make it sound and look like they are really up front with every thing in the video. Like I said I only tried once and did not get enough feedback and the prototyping would have been left for me to do.

Still, I think the concept has merit and am looking forward to what others have to say.

Thanks for the reply, Ky.

I see quirks or gaming here on CR4 also.

We post to pass on knowledge, but we also have pharmers (or whatever you choose to call them) becoming gurus after reading many posts. Plagiarizing other's comments and thoughts is rife, if one looks around.

As most can say, we are used to this, and it don't bother us anymore, but we have learned to see when these types out themselves.

So, that said, use my thoughts, my ideas, and questions to grow, by participating here I have received requests from companies seeking my knowledge from their assigned lurkers looking for answers.

Let's continue to be open and make the forum grow worldwide. The outstanding amount of knowledge here is mind boggling.

Garthh put it very succinctly

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/556439

Scam.

milo

Your search - cr4.globalspec.com/comment/556439 - did not match any documents.

That's all I got. Any suggestions? Garthh is usually a reliable source.

Thanks Milo, Ky.

I remember writing it

but I can't find it either

probably got pulled, by OBO [our benevolent overlords] in their quest for polite conversation

I'm am a member of Innocentive too

the alleged payouts are pennies on the dollar for the value of the solutions.

Scam

"the alleged payouts are pennies on the dollar for the value of the solutions."

This takes me to a thread on another forum that I subscribe to- it is the purchaser of a product that determines the value of that product, whether we are talking ideas or hardware. In other words, what you produce is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.

All too often "idea generators" have the mistaken impression that their ideas are "unique" and that they are worth considerably more than what anyone is willing to pay for them. The Internet has actually reduced the value of information, both by granting access to "privileged" information to the masses, and by hiding such "privileged" information in a tremendous amount of "noise". A lot of "inventors" also have a pretty distorted perception of the value of their "invention". Again- the value is exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.

If one feels (as I often do) that the value a potential purchaser assigns to a particular product (information or hardware or whatever) is less than the value I have assigned to the effort required to generate the product, I either need to re-evaluate my system for evaluating value, or find another potential buyer. Or pour on a whole lot of marketing hype to convince the potential customer that there is significantly more value to the product than he originally perceived...

CW I hear what you're saying...

while the cost of knowledge may have lowered with the internet...

the challenges I had knowledge about, didn't seem to even cover the costs of prototyping. The problems weren't able to be solved in house or they wouldn't be looking elsewhere

the operation gave me the feeling I get when working for a temp agency.

I wonder what the "house" cut is?

I would favor a more open model, which maybe impossible.

everybody's gotta get paid, maybe money, maybe recognition, maybe power, maybe influence,maybe friendship, maybe love,

but everybody's gotta get paid

at the end of the day an idea or group of ideas is only worth what someone will pay for them.

just because I don't think the arrangement is equitable, certainly shouldn't stop someone else from indulging

at the end of the day everyone is responsible to preform whatever due diligence, they feel necessary.

I do find the newsletters entertaining.

I put innocentive scam in the search cr 4 (entire site) box and it took me to the link I posted in the Who's got any god ideas thread.

Far as I can tell, It didn't get pulled.

My apologies for the broken link, I need to switch off safari and replace it with firefox.

I love my macbook, but it's kinda like a wearing tennis shoes with a suit as regards the features on cr4

Milo

thank you for the link. somehow I missed that discussion.

I do not necessarily see Innocentive as a scam, but do find most of their projects are pointed toward chemistry, biology, materials science and such- more science than engineering, and a lot of them requiring pretty sophisticated laboratory facilities. I have submitted a couple of proposals with no results. I suspect from the nature of the projects they promote, most of the money is coming from major corporate interests.

An alternative you might want to investigate is guru.com- more engineering than science, although a lot of the projects they offer are pretty primitive/basic (some of it sounds a lot like homework problems one encounters here). Guru.com has both paid and unpaid subscriptions- it looks like the cream projects are reserved for the paying solvers, but there are some that are attractive. What sounds like some pretty good Solidworks and architectural drafting, if that is what you are interested in. I have had some positive results with guru.com, and they seem to have a greater range of technical skill needs than Innocentive...

Innocentive has a different approach too: the posts are not public. Brainstorming is not possible like here, unless in separate work group maybe, I didn't walk that mile.

That is the last change they implemented, I think.

What I like about this forum is that it is OPEN.

At least we try to help the posters "en bloc"

And in case we need help, we get it too.

Yep, if I had an inquiry I will direct it to the CR4 forum first. The amount of useful information and the sidetracking (Garthh's link) and inspiration this has resulted in, is just stunning. Were would I be with out you?

I feel better now, much more smarterer, Ky.

Here's another site

http://www.ninesigma.com/

Thanks, Garthh- I'm giving them a try also...

Same here Garthh, just need a bit more time.